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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #2881 Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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OK! Got it.Thanks! Casper.
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #2882 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Casper
Please see the attached Chart of ONGC(EOD). I see a desc.triangle formation and it appears that it took a break out in opposite direction therefore a failed one.
In case you found any thing worth commenting...... please .
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singh.ravee Yellow Belt
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Post: #2883 Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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rk_a2003 wrote: |
Please see the attached Chart of ONGC(EOD). I see a desc.triangle formation and it appears that it took a break out in opposite direction therefore a failed one. |
rk_a2003,
hi, to me its not a DT as volume is not falling uniformly.
rgds
ravee
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casper Green Belt
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #2885 Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Casper
I love to be a Rebel
Reason - This World is Upside Down and to be a Rebel is a rational way to see it properly (and make it proper too).
Therefore your suggestion is very well in tune with my outlook.
Thanks!
RK
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S.S. White Belt
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casper Green Belt
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Post: #2887 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:26 am Post subject: |
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ok saumik, replying one by one here
1. u can buy even above 105, for a target of 110 then after 110, u can buy some more
above 110 it should go up for 15-18 rs more
2. if it reaches there, then it will be around 125-130 range, which will make a proper rounding bottom,
3. if in future it sustain above 135 too, then there is a possibility for going up for another 40-50 rs from 135 range, for a rounding bottom break out
4.u can keep 105 as sl, no problem, normally i keep "a candle close below the break out level" as sl, as i follow it "by closing" so i hardly have my sl hit, but at the same time, i run into the risk of paying more if it ever it hits
(simply bcoz u cant help but to wait for a close even if it is going down), so here, choice is urs.
5. finally, the green line is not a divergence, here stock and rsi both are going up, hence no divergence
(some ppls follow "hidden divergence" concept, i am not familiar with it and for me its still confusing, so cant say if its any form of hidden div or not, but its not a regular div for sure, and it does not shows any chance of major fall as of now, form eod chart at least)
and here is my (un)registered trade mark
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S.S. White Belt
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Post: #2888 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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thank u dada...but still not clear abt the divergence
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S.S. White Belt
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Post: #2889 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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sorry casper but once again i m posting tata power
first drawing ia bearish n 2nd is bullish div is it correct ???? (if no then plz explain it)
if yes then there is two chart tatapower daily n weekly why cant we consider it as divergence????
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casper Green Belt
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Post: #2890 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: |
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saumik
a big mistake u r committing
in ur chart, what u marked as a bullish div is not at all a bullish div, bcoz in bullish divs u consider BOTTOMS, and in bearish div, u consider TOPS, so, ur bullish div cant be valid any way as u considered tops and saying its bullish, hence weekly div that u posted as bullish is not valid
secondly
we look at div in EXTREMES
for bullish div, its a sort of mandatory to look for div when rsi is OS
for bearish div , it should be OB,
if u cant find OB/OS still u have to be near that range like looking for bullish one around rsi 30 but not above , say 35
and looking for bearish one around rsi 70 but not below 65 or so
(though i personally follow OB/OS rule RELIGIOUSLY)
hence, the chart u marked as bearish in daily is not at all bearish in this tf as rsi is much lower than 70
to have a safe journey, never look for div when rsi is not OB/OS
by the way, if u look at the tata power in smaller real time charts like 5 to 60 min charts, u may find some div there, i hv not checked, but it looks like...
but try to make sure that rsi MUST BE ob/os when u find a div
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casper Green Belt
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S.S. White Belt
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Post: #2892 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:24 am Post subject: |
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casper wrote: | saumik
in ur chart, what u marked as a bullish div is not at all a bullish div, bcoz in bullish divs u consider BOTTOMS, and in bearish div, u consider TOPS, so, ur bullish div cant be valid any way as u considered tops and saying its bullish, hence weekly div that u posted as bullish is not valid
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ok thankx a lot....
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ronypan White Belt
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Post: #2893 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:53 am Post subject: |
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S.S. wrote: | sorry casper but once again i m posting tata power
first drawing ia bearish n 2nd is bullish div is it correct ???? (if no then plz explain it)
if yes then there is two chart tatapower daily n weekly why cant we consider it as divergence???? |
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@S.S
GITANJALI... -DIV..
I THINK THIS WAY... IT IS CORRECT ONE..
I AM ALSO LEARNING...
IS IT CORRECT, CASPER?
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codered White Belt
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Post: #2894 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Vinst are you alive?
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sumesh_sol Brown Belt
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Post: #2895 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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ronypan wrote: | S.S. wrote: | sorry casper but once again i m posting tata power
first drawing ia bearish n 2nd is bullish div is it correct ???? (if no then plz explain it)
if yes then there is two chart tatapower daily n weekly why cant we consider it as divergence???? |
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@S.S
GITANJALI... -DIV..
I THINK THIS WAY... IT IS CORRECT ONE..
I AM ALSO LEARNING...
IS IT CORRECT, CASPER? |
With Casper bhai's anticipated approval, I'm answering this
Rony, with my limited TA , I can say div. do not indicate meaningful information in strong trending conditions... If you see attached chart you will find that RSI is hovering on overbought area for quite some time and prices are in steep uptrend. So in my view, it is better if price break TL and trade below that for 2-3 days, then we can have some indication of its downward journey. Also, if u notice there is one H&S pattern appearing at the top, which coincide with TL break...
Regards,
Sumesh
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