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a layman's approach to break out and break down
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rk_a2003
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Post: #2881   PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK! Got it.Thanks! Casper.
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Post: #2882   PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Casper

Please see the attached Chart of ONGC(EOD). I see a desc.triangle formation and it appears that it took a break out in opposite direction therefore a failed one.

In case you found any thing worth commenting...... please .



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Post: #2883   PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rk_a2003 wrote:


Please see the attached Chart of ONGC(EOD). I see a desc.triangle formation and it appears that it took a break out in opposite direction therefore a failed one.


rk_a2003,
hi, to me its not a DT as volume is not falling uniformly.
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Post: #2884   PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

singh.ravee wrote:
rk_a2003 wrote:


Please see the attached Chart of ONGC(EOD). I see a desc.triangle formation and it appears that it took a break out in opposite direction therefore a failed one.


rk_a2003,
hi, to me its not a DT as volume is not falling uniformly.
rgds
ravee


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hii rk and paaji

no need to see for volume as u will hardly get "ideal volume pattern" in day to day trading
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see this, we had more objective signal which told us that ongc will go up

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rk only one thing i will tell u for pattern trading

"be a rebel"

and whenever u see dt with + div, buy on bo and at with - div, sell on bd



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Post: #2885   PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Casper

I love to be a Rebel Laughing

Reason - This World is Upside Down and to be a Rebel is a rational way to see it properly (and make it proper too).

Therefore your suggestion is very well in tune with my outlook.

Thanks!

RK
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Post: #2886   PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi casper


i m posting tatapower chart . . . . .actually thankx to DH he had posted the chart 4 –WW in RUNNING WITH THE WOLVES topic. i saw some other thing also so i want to share and ask and also correct me where i was wrong . . . .

let me share first

Stock falls quick 35 rs getting support arnd 95 (61.8% of retracementn monthly s1) n now its consolidate n creating rounding bottom(its looks AT also). . .multiple tops arnd mnthly r1(106)


Now my question

can we buy this stock abv 110-111(monthly r2) 4 the target of 125. (if any other target then plz indicate it) ????

what could be the SL (as per me its 106....)????

In the chart t had draw two green line can we call it a divergence ????

Plz reply with ur trade mark Smile

regards,



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Post: #2887   PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok saumik, replying one by one here

1. u can buy even above 105, for a target of 110 then after 110, u can buy some more

above 110 it should go up for 15-18 rs more

2. if it reaches there, then it will be around 125-130 range, which will make a proper rounding bottom,

3. if in future it sustain above 135 too, then there is a possibility for going up for another 40-50 rs from 135 range, for a rounding bottom break out

4.u can keep 105 as sl, no problem, normally i keep "a candle close below the break out level" as sl, as i follow it "by closing" so i hardly have my sl hit, but at the same time, i run into the risk of paying more if it ever it hits
(simply bcoz u cant help but to wait for a close even if it is going down), so here, choice is urs.

5. finally, the green line is not a divergence, here stock and rsi both are going up, hence no divergence

(some ppls follow "hidden divergence" concept, i am not familiar with it and for me its still confusing, so cant say if its any form of hidden div or not, but its not a regular div for sure, and it does not shows any chance of major fall as of now, form eod chart at least)


and here is my (un)registered trade mark

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Post: #2888   PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank u dada...but still not clear abt the divergence
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Post: #2889   PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry casper but once again i m posting tata power

first drawing ia bearish n 2nd is bullish div is it correct ???? (if no then plz explain it)
if yes then there is two chart tatapower daily n weekly why cant we consider it as divergence????



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Post: #2890   PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

saumik

a big mistake u r committing

in ur chart, what u marked as a bullish div is not at all a bullish div, bcoz in bullish divs u consider BOTTOMS, and in bearish div, u consider TOPS, so, ur bullish div cant be valid any way as u considered tops and saying its bullish, hence weekly div that u posted as bullish is not valid

secondly

we look at div in EXTREMES

for bullish div, its a sort of mandatory to look for div when rsi is OS

for bearish div , it should be OB,

if u cant find OB/OS still u have to be near that range like looking for bullish one around rsi 30 but not above , say 35

and looking for bearish one around rsi 70 but not below 65 or so
(though i personally follow OB/OS rule RELIGIOUSLY)

hence, the chart u marked as bearish in daily is not at all bearish in this tf as rsi is much lower than 70

to have a safe journey, never look for div when rsi is not OB/OS



by the way, if u look at the tata power in smaller real time charts like 5 to 60 min charts, u may find some div there, i hv not checked, but it looks like...

but try to make sure that rsi MUST BE ob/os when u find a div
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Post: #2891   PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

S.S. wrote:
thank u dada...but still not clear abt the divergence


read the following threads for a clarification

1.
http://www.icharts.in/forum/trading-divergences-t2170,postorder,desc,start,70.html

2.
http://www.icharts.in/forum/nvk-set-up-t1910.html

3.
http://www.icharts.in/forum/casper-bhai-where-r-u-t3843,postorder,desc.html

if u still need clarification, then u have my email id already, come in chat any days after 8.30 pm
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Post: #2892   PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

casper wrote:
saumik

in ur chart, what u marked as a bullish div is not at all a bullish div, bcoz in bullish divs u consider BOTTOMS, and in bearish div, u consider TOPS, so, ur bullish div cant be valid any way as u considered tops and saying its bullish, hence weekly div that u posted as bullish is not valid


ok thankx a lot....
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Post: #2893   PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

S.S. wrote:
sorry casper but once again i m posting tata power

first drawing ia bearish n 2nd is bullish div is it correct ???? (if no then plz explain it)
if yes then there is two chart tatapower daily n weekly why cant we consider it as divergence????


...

@S.S

GITANJALI... -DIV..
I THINK THIS WAY... IT IS CORRECT ONE..

I AM ALSO LEARNING...
IS IT CORRECT, CASPER?



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Post: #2894   PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Post: #2895   PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ronypan wrote:
S.S. wrote:
sorry casper but once again i m posting tata power

first drawing ia bearish n 2nd is bullish div is it correct ???? (if no then plz explain it)
if yes then there is two chart tatapower daily n weekly why cant we consider it as divergence????


...

@S.S

GITANJALI... -DIV..
I THINK THIS WAY... IT IS CORRECT ONE..

I AM ALSO LEARNING...
IS IT CORRECT, CASPER?


With Casper bhai's anticipated approval, I'm answering this Smile

Rony, with my limited TA , I can say div. do not indicate meaningful information in strong trending conditions... If you see attached chart you will find that RSI is hovering on overbought area for quite some time and prices are in steep uptrend. So in my view, it is better if price break TL and trade below that for 2-3 days, then we can have some indication of its downward journey. Also, if u notice there is one H&S pattern appearing at the top, which coincide with TL break...

Regards,
Sumesh



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