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NittinP White Belt
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Post: #181 Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hi ST,
Looking at the breath market chart, can we deduce anything??
Can this can be used as indicator along with other techincal indicator.
Example: Looking at attached breath chart, I can conclude that whenever short term and medium term co-inside, market takes reverse turn..
Your expert advice will be highly appreciated..
Thanks,
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SwingTrader Site Admin
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Post: #182 Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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NittinP wrote: | Hi ST,
Looking at the breath market chart, can we deduce anything??
Can this can be used as indicator along with other techincal indicator.
Example: Looking at attached breath chart, I can conclude that whenever short term and medium term co-inside, market takes reverse turn..
Your expert advice will be highly appreciated..
Thanks,
NP |
I have constructed this chart recently and plan to use it along with options sentiment to time entries/exits for position trading. This chart must be used with some other tools/indicators (for confirmation) as this is a breadth chart and it just shows what the overall market is looking like internally (in short/medium term). Price confirmation also is a must. I have paid for ignoring it with many lost opportunities. Example : I have used options sentiment successfully standalone the whole of 2011 and half of 2012. I failed to pickup the subtle hints of change of its behavior in bullish market. Few of its subsequent signals have failed as the price raced up despite its sell signal. I should have given more importance to price confirmation, I have since rectified the issue by making sure I confirm its signals with price itself. Simple price confirmation (with or without more TA indicators) can go a long way.
This chart will eventually be available on "Breadth Charts" page. _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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Post: #183 Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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NittinP,
An example of how I am using the breadth chart:
The main line I focus on is the short-term RED line. I will talk about the most recent signal using this chart. The short-term red line went above +80% on 10.09.2012 (almost immediately after NF started to rally after completion of the Aug end pullback. One would watch the line daily and start to look closely at the NF chart/indicators once the red line rolls down below 80% indicating possible weakness and a coming down move. The line went down below 80% on 05.10.2012. The added bonus was that medium term breadth line also was above 80% so one would want to ride with the down move just in case medium term breadth also turns down taking market down for a deeper pullback (which is what I have been hoping for). After 5th Oct onwards one would watch the NF chart (in my case 60 mins one) for a breakdown. If I was trading this down move I would have bought ITM puts or put spreads or shorted NF on 9th Oct or after that (after simple EMA 13/39 crossover down on 60 mins chart). The sell is still in place and the red line today has gone below -80% so one would monitor the NF 60 min chart from tomm for possible trend turning to the upside to initiate a bullish trade.
The above is almost exactly what I am doing in a separate account using small positions as part of live "forward testing" of this timing strategy (the only added complication is that I am using options sentiment also but it is not necessary). I will let you know what I find later after I have trade few turns with the breadth chart.
The medium-term blue line has larger implications, we'll discuss later... _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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NittinP White Belt
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Post: #184 Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Hi ST,
Excellent analysis..
I believe in keeping things simple.
So assuming I am Positional Trader who executes trades not more than 4 trades a month, this breath chart will add value to overall analysis.
As you are already forward testing this with Time frame of 60min, Let us all know your findings.
Keep GOING... You are doing great JOB... ... KEEP GOING
We will develop consistent trading strategy using this as a additional confirmation point...
Warm Regards,
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SwingTrader Site Admin
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Post: #185 Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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NittinP wrote: | Hi ST,
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So assuming I am Positional Trader who executes trades not more than 4 trades a month, this breath chart will add value to overall analysis.
As you are already forward testing this with Time frame of 60min, Let us all know your findings.
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Yes, I am trying to build exactly such a system (not more than 3-4 trades per month)...don't have time to monitor much intraday.
I will keep posting the findings here... _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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Post: #186 Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Options sentiment continues to be in sell mode despite the gap up move. The on going correction would be in question if NF closes a day above 5757 (9th Oct day high).
Short term market breadth is cycling up as medium term breadth is on the verge of rolling down. It will be interesting to see if medium term breadth keeps going down from here. This would indicate underlying weakness and would clue us into the next significant move. For now we'll have to see where this short-term breadth cycle takes us. _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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druzva White Belt
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Post: #187 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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ST sir, agree market is doing system cleaning ( constipation Niwaran) since last 3 months . Now big move is going to come post Bihar ( US ) election any time. Let us see when |
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Post: #188 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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druzva wrote: | ST sir, agree market is doing system cleaning ( constipation Niwaran) since last 3 months . Now big move is going to come post Bihar ( US ) election any time. Let us see when |
_________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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veerappan Expert
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Post: #189 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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SwingTrader wrote: | Options sentiment continues to be in sell mode despite the gap up move. The on going correction would be in question if NF closes a day above 5757 (9th Oct day high).
Short term market breadth is cycling up as medium term breadth is on the verge of rolling down. It will be interesting to see if medium term breadth keeps going down from here. This would indicate underlying weakness and would clue us into the next significant move. For now we'll have to see where this short-term breadth cycle takes us. |
5757....ST |
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p_wangdu White Belt
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Post: #190 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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SwingTrader wrote: | Options sentiment continues to be in sell mode despite the gap up move. The on going correction would be in question if NF closes a day above 5757 (9th Oct day high).
Short term market breadth is cycling up as medium term breadth is on the verge of rolling down. It will be interesting to see if medium term breadth keeps going down from here. This would indicate underlying weakness and would clue us into the next significant move. For now we'll have to see where this short-term breadth cycle takes us. | as always thank you very much for the charts sirji. |
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Post: #191 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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veerappan wrote: | SwingTrader wrote: | Options sentiment continues to be in sell mode despite the gap up move. The on going correction would be in question if NF closes a day above 5757 (9th Oct day high).
Short term market breadth is cycling up as medium term breadth is on the verge of rolling down. It will be interesting to see if medium term breadth keeps going down from here. This would indicate underlying weakness and would clue us into the next significant move. For now we'll have to see where this short-term breadth cycle takes us. |
5757....ST |
Veeru,
Yes, I know it is your number _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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Post: #192 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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p_wangdu wrote: | as always thank you very much for the charts sirji. |
pw,
U r welcome. _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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apka Black Belt
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Post: #193 Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:18 am Post subject: |
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veerappan wrote: | SwingTrader wrote: | Options sentiment continues to be in sell mode despite the gap up move. The on going correction would be in question if NF closes a day above 5757 (9th Oct day high).
Short term market breadth is cycling up as medium term breadth is on the verge of rolling down. It will be interesting to see if medium term breadth keeps going down from here. This would indicate underlying weakness and would clue us into the next significant move. For now we'll have to see where this short-term breadth cycle takes us. |
5757....ST |
todays open/high = 5759.95
now what? |
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Post: #194 Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:32 am Post subject: |
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apka wrote: |
todays open/high = 5759.95
now what? |
Whats the hurry....my trades are not for intraday. The trade I am taking will be a swing/positional play. Let the market prove that it is strong. Let me see if it has in it to close above 5757. Will decide on the trade in the last 30 mins.
I will be taking the trades based on market breadth cycle. Please take a look at my thread about it in "Trading Journals". I will be posting the trades & related stuff over there. _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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apka Black Belt
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Post: #195 Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:35 am Post subject: |
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SwingTrader wrote: | apka wrote: |
todays open/high = 5759.95
now what? |
Whats the hurry....my trades are not for intraday. The trade I am taking will be a swing/positional play. Let the market prove that it is strong. Let me see if it has in it to close above 5757. Will decide on the trade in the last 30 mins.
I will be taking the trades based on market breadth cycle. Please take a look at my thread about it in "Trading Journals". I will be posting the trades & related stuff over there. |
ok. was curious, with opening being higher then if change in outlook |
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