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Post: #196   PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

apka, it was a freak (read deliberate) trade. NF opened 20 up and NS opened 4 down giving a premium of almost 67. Options did not open according to NF.

Sorry ST to spoil your thread but just to clarify to apka.
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Post: #197   PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

apka wrote:
veerappan wrote:
SwingTrader wrote:
Options sentiment continues to be in sell mode despite the gap up move. The on going correction would be in question if NF closes a day above 5757 (9th Oct day high).

Short term market breadth is cycling up as medium term breadth is on the verge of rolling down. It will be interesting to see if medium term breadth keeps going down from here. This would indicate underlying weakness and would clue us into the next significant move. For now we'll have to see where this short-term breadth cycle takes us.


5757....ST Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


todays open/high = 5759.95

now what?


5757 rocked and used it on intra itself ST anna...
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Post: #198   PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Options sentiment which is currently in sell mode is close to giving a buy signal. Well...if today was a breakout then this buy signal is coming late. Also, the signal bands are contracting, we could see a big move soon...no idea which way.
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Post: #199   PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Options sentiment gave a buy signal and then rebounded (strong sell off). Even though I am long (breadth cycle trades) I am in two minds and think NF could go down. If it happens I will be ready. The overall trend for positional is still up but one just needs to keep an eye out for downside reversal.

Medium term breadth is poised to breakdown. This indicates that broad market is at crossroads of sorts. A breakout to the upside could continue the trend up for a while but a breakdown here can start the medium term down cycle.

Whatever it is, I feel a volatile move could be coming. More in the breadth cycles forum thread...

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Post: #200   PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SwingTrader wrote:
Options sentiment gave a buy signal and then rebounded (strong sell off). Even though I am long (breadth cycle trades) I am in two minds and think NF could go down. If it happens I will be ready. The overall trend for positional is still up but one just needs to keep an eye out for downside reversal.

Medium term breadth is poised to breakdown. This indicates that broad market is at crossroads of sorts. A breakout to the upside could continue the trend up for a while but a breakdown here can start the medium term down cycle.

Whatever it is, I feel a volatile move could be coming. More in the breadth cycles forum thread...
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Post: #201   PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 7th Nov buy signal on options sentiment turned out to be a whipsaw as a sell was triggered on 16th.
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Post: #202   PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Options sentiment continues to be bearish. I don't think we are done with the down move yet. But a break out above 5670 on NF (recent highs + gap resistance) could start a short-term up move. I would not stay short above this level (on a daily closing basis).
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Post: #203   PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had once mentioned earlier about how I always hold two sets of options positions - one for sideways market and one for trending market (these are timed positions and are not held constantly every month like the sideways positions). The idea is to manage the losing position skillfully and keep losses low. I have closed the sideways position for this month and this is the second consecutive month where the sideways positions (credit spreads / iron condors) have won huge. Trend based positions, not surprisingly, have lagged significantly.
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Post: #204   PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ST, it would be interesting to see your updates on both threads.
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Post: #205   PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ST, it would be interesting to see your updates on both threads.


Sure....I am just waiting for the data to get updated. I am also eager to see how good today's move really was with respect to the internals.

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Post: #206   PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going back to the drawing board on the options sentiment. I greatly benefited and profited from it during the long-term downtrend from end of 2010 to end of 2011. It has become clear that the signals during uptrends need to be handled differently as one does not see volatile bearish extremes much during uptrends. I will be looking into this in detail on how to make the signal bands adaptive.

Attached is a chart that shows how the bearish extremes have changed once the market shifted to uptrend mode.

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Post: #207   PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi ST,

I was watching news in which one of experience technical analyst pointed significance of open interest in NIFTY.

As far as I remember, he said whenever open interest goes below 1.6Cr and rises above it, then there is movement of 500 points in NIFTY. So according to him 6100 is the Next NIFTY level.

Can you please plot graph of open interest with respect to NIFTY chart??

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Post: #208   PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear ST,

Thanks for your posts on both threads. On options sentiments, you seem to be having a re-look at the algorithm. Will be interesting to learn about new ways to looking at the sentiments.

I have observed that year 2012 has seen IndiaVix moving down ( from ~ 30 to now ~ 15), (indicating more of institution / HNI participation ? ). Would this have made any impact on Options sentiment algo?

Will keep watching for updates from your studies.
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Post: #209   PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NittinP wrote:
Hi ST,

I was watching news in which one of experience technical analyst pointed significance of open interest in NIFTY.

As far as I remember, he said whenever open interest goes below 1.6Cr and rises above it, then there is movement of 500 points in NIFTY. So according to him 6100 is the Next NIFTY level.

Can you please plot graph of open interest with respect to NIFTY chart??

Regards,

NP


I have attached the chart. We see the pattern the analyst mentioned only two times recently (since Jan 2010). I think the analyst is making the same mistake that I have made - considering too less data for the analysis. For that kind of analysis one needs to use some other stat instead of a fixed number as the number can change if participation in our market changes, there could be many other factors that could affect the number. But the idea itself makes sense. OI does decrease once markets decline as the main participants (large institutions) in futures will unhedge positions. OI increases as markets rise as institutions start hedging positions.

Thanks for the idea.

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Post: #210   PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gemini wrote:
Dear ST,

Thanks for your posts on both threads. On options sentiments, you seem to be having a re-look at the algorithm. Will be interesting to learn about new ways to looking at the sentiments.

I have observed that year 2012 has seen IndiaVix moving down ( from ~ 30 to now ~ 15), (indicating more of institution / HNI participation ? ). Would this have made any impact on Options sentiment algo?

Will keep watching for updates from your studies.


Volatility going down would not affect the options sentiment as it is a weighted ratio of puts vs calls at certain option strikes. Volatility will affect both puts & calls so it would not affect the ratio as a whole. But I need to take a look at the affect of change of volatility skew as market changed from downtrend to uptrend. I have not taken that into account.

Anyway, I should be able to figure it out how to take care of the affect of change of market character. I will post an update later...

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