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Post: #61 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:43 am Post subject: |
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rk_a2003 wrote: |
The case is same with US markets too ST.... on pathetic volumes markets are rising.Clear show of lack of commitment.
Anticipatory rally for QE3 is going on everywhere. Such rallies may fizzle out fast once cracked. |
That is true. US markets are anticipating QE3 which may not come at all, bond market is giving enough clues in this regard. If QE3 really does not materialize then market will be in real trouble. Until then, I guess, it is best not to argue with technicals. _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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Post: #62 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:56 am Post subject: |
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vinay28 wrote: | yes, volume is a worry and I am not able to track ratio of cash to f&o vol (in INR) in our markets over last few months |
Good idea. I queried our database and charted ns-to-nf volume ratio, chart is attached here. One issue is that we have NS market turnover instead of volume, but I guess this still gives a good rough idea. This does give a good perspective on the market. Money did flow into the cash market (compared to futures market) but at the moment it does look like it has reached its limits.
Were you looking for any other insight based on this ratio? Let us know....
Thanks for the good idea. _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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bolband_macd White Belt
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Post: #63 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:03 am Post subject: |
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ST sir,
Thank you such a wonderful pictorial information. If possible, could you please attach Nifty movement for the same period with volume ratio?
I know I am too greedy to ask you this.
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Post: #64 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: |
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bolband_macd wrote: | ST sir,
Thank you such a wonderful pictorial information. If possible, could you please attach Nifty movement for the same period with volume ratio?
I know I am too greedy to ask you this.
Best Regards,
BM |
There you go.... _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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saumya12 Brown Belt
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Post: #65 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the chart. |
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vinay28 Black Belt
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Post: #66 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Many thanks ST. My guess was right. The "investment" is increasing and it means "long only funds" have been active since mid Nov '11. Note that both the ratio and nifty are making higher lows in tandem. No wonder that a higher and higher portion of 11B$ that have come in since Jan '12 is going into cash.
Of course the ratio will not tally exactly with nifty as time passes since they would buy mid and small caps also but the very fact that their charts do tally a good deal as of now means the investment is predominently in nifty stocks. It also confirms what I had heard many months ago and that is a lot of FIIs are now polarised in one direction instead of being in disagreement about India as they were since 2008 till a year ago. |
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vinay28 Black Belt
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Post: #67 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: |
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One more request ST. Is it possible to superimpose PCR and/or VIX on this chart? You asked for it! |
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Post: #68 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: |
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vinay28 wrote: | Many thanks ST. My guess was right. The "investment" is increasing and it means "long only funds" have been active since mid Nov '11. Note that both the ratio and nifty are making higher lows in tandem. No wonder that a higher and higher portion of 11B$ that have come in since Jan '12 is going into cash.
Of course the ratio will not tally exactly with nifty as time passes since they would buy mid and small caps also but the very fact that their charts do tally a good deal as of now means the investment is predominently in nifty stocks. It also confirms what I had heard many months ago and that is a lot of FIIs are now polarised in one direction instead of being in disagreement about India as they were since 2008 till a year ago. |
Thanks, this is unique insight into what is happening internally in the markets.
About your request to plot VIX/PCR also on the same chart, it is difficult to do it on the same chart as VIX/PCR will not plot correctly on either of the two axis (ns-to-nf vol / NS price). If I can't do it on the same chart then I will post one with NS & VIX.
PCR - Do you want PCR for NF options only or stock fut options only or all inclusive (index & stock fut options)? I will try this too... _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #69 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks ST & Vinay
For taking us to” forbidden insights.” |
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pkholla Black Belt
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Post: #70 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I thought the author's name (of that book!) is Vatsayan NOT Vinay!
Regards, Prakash Holla |
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #71 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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pkholla wrote: | I thought the author's name (of that book!) is Vatsayan NOT Vinay!
Regards, Prakash Holla | |
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Post: #72 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:07 am Post subject: |
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pkholla wrote: | I thought the author's name (of that book!) is Vatsayan NOT Vinay!
Regards, Prakash Holla |
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Post: #73 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Here is a longer range chart. This is to gauge broad range of the ratio. Based on this I feel we are closer to an important market top. Market could get one more push up but that will push it more closer to a bigger top. This is my opinion _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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vinay28 Black Belt
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Post: #74 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Prakash, you mean "vatsyayan" and not vatsayan! You now what he wrote. By the way, try to grab a book on kamasutra by Dr. Richard Burton (not actor). It's an early 20th century classic.
Sorry ST for this vital distraction.
My intention is to compare with only nifty to see the long term trend, but you are right, seeing PCR only for NF may not be right as it will match with NF only. While for NS, stock options are required too. My aim is to try to establish whether bottom was over for good in dec '11.
From what I understand, the allocation for India amongst BRICS is increasing since India is "andhome raja" with China in big trouble and once global markets react after US elections, where else to go for "them"? Also, if USD fails w.r.t. global currencies, all hell will let loose as global economies struggle to come to terms with new currency. India is better placed in view of its domestic consumption (thanks to large population - what a shame) and with commodities crashing all around, we should benefit.
Of course, there are a lot of ifs and buts in this and let's see what your charts foretell. |
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vinay28 Black Belt
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Post: #75 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Also, ST, can you atleast superimpose PCR on VIX? The trend is changing lately and they don't seem to be linked |
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