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pkholla Black Belt
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Post: #76 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Vinay: 'Also, if USD fails w.r.t. global currencies':
I think many countries will thank US for showing them how easy it is to bypass the currency-in-ICU. India and Iran are doing a great barter oil for soy meal etc and China has for long been a pioneer in doing non-$ based deals. Saudi is frantically diversifying away from $. Lets see if your earlier post (Fed Res, on Dec 2013 d-date) comes true. Rgds, Prakash Holla |
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vinay28 Black Belt
Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 11748
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Post: #77 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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oh ya, I had forgotten about my post. Was it dec13 or 12? |
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SwingTrader Site Admin
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 2903 Location: Hyderabad, India
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Post: #78 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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vinay28 wrote: | Also, ST, can you atleast superimpose PCR on VIX? The trend is changing lately and they don't seem to be linked |
Here are two charts :
1. NF volume based PCR vs VIX
2. NF OI based PCR vs VIX
Will post whole market based PCR vs VIX charts shortly. _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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vinay28 Black Belt
Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 11748
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Post: #79 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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thanks St again
except for in aug-sept '11 and apr-jul '12, pcr and vix are opposing and that's when market went up. Normally a high pcr should have given a high vix also. Comparison not very clear but may be it's because of shift to cash.
I saw somewhere that monthly vix made a star in nov and now and I am wondering what market is upto |
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vinay28 Black Belt
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Post: #80 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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sorry ST, I saw the long range chart just now. You could be right about the top but I am wondering whether "base building" exercise is going on in long term, considering that not even 30% of total FII flow was taken out since early 2008. |
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SwingTrader Site Admin
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 2903 Location: Hyderabad, India
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Post: #81 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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vinay28 wrote: | sorry ST, I saw the long range chart just now. You could be right about the top but I am wondering whether "base building" exercise is going on in long term, considering that not even 30% of total FII flow was taken out since early 2008. |
Long term Base building is a possibility. I mostly look at stuff with only the next month or two in mind....mostly intermediate term moves. _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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p_wangdu White Belt
Joined: 30 Apr 2012 Posts: 126
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Post: #82 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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SwingTrader wrote: | vinay28 wrote: | sorry ST, I saw the long range chart just now. You could be right about the top but I am wondering whether "base building" exercise is going on in long term, considering that not even 30% of total FII flow was taken out since early 2008. |
Long term Base building is a possibility. I mostly look at stuff with only the next month or two in mind....mostly intermediate term moves. | SwingTrader sirji long term base is a possibility., but thanks for your nifty challenge me like people predict it in just 48 hours |
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SwingTrader Site Admin
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Post: #83 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Options sentiment is indicating more downside this week. My guess is 5300-5200 or even lower for this expiry...just a wild guess as I want lower prices
I have unhedged my SEP 5400 puts. I will let these run unhedged, on any strong breakout above the recent highs I will close these out.
I still can't understand the idea behind the bullish theories floating around, especially with nothing to support those. But a trend is a trend and there is no fighting a trend. I have been against the trend since my 24th Jul put purchase. Unless I see a clear downside move this week I will close out the puts and re-enter based on further analysis. I am hesitant to go against options sentiment as I haven't seen it go against the trend for too long. The current divergence of prices against everything is not sustainable and something has to give in. Once this issue clears up I will look to enter again. But until then I will continue to manage the current trade for this week and then decide further course of action.
Those who are long, be careful. Those who are short also be careful!!! _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 2734
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Post: #84 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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So! Who don't have any position can be peaceful. That could be the reason for the hedge funds to remain with cash piles at historical highs. The managers of the same must have preferred it to being careful. |
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SwingTrader Site Admin
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 2903 Location: Hyderabad, India
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Post: #85 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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rk_a2003 wrote: | So! Who don't have any position can be peaceful. That could be the reason for the hedge funds to remain with cash piles at historical highs. The managers of the same must have preferred it to being careful. |
Very true _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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SwingTrader Site Admin
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Post: #86 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Posting one more of my silly charts to support my bearish argument
This chart shows the average % changes in NSE stocks - 1 month avg vs 3 months avg. Obviously 1 month avg line will turn down before 3 months avg line when market is turning down. So this chart may be showing what is obvious but it does help in confirming a theory....well...most of the time. Look at it and you decide...
The main observation in this chart is this : the 1 month line turns down first after a rally and then 3 months line turns down during an attempt by 1 month line to rise after the decline. This has happened before the end of all previous rallies. It is happening now, but what happens this time remains to be seen. _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 2734
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Post: #87 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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ST,
Could you please superimpose Nifty on this 1 month - 3 month average % change chart if possible. |
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SwingTrader Site Admin
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 2903 Location: Hyderabad, India
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Post: #88 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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rk_a2003 wrote: | ST,
Could you please superimpose Nifty on this 1 month - 3 month average % change chart if possible. |
I always forget that....here you go... _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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vinay28 Black Belt
Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 11748
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Post: #89 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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ST, I don't know what option sentiment implies but I have one observation. Normally (probably always) a PE commands more premium than a CE but this time CEs has more premium than PEs, even for sept. Hence the IV for CE is also more that for PE. This is unusual. |
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SwingTrader Site Admin
Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 2903 Location: Hyderabad, India
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Post: #90 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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vinay28 wrote: | ST, I don't know what option sentiment implies but I have one observation. Normally (probably always) a PE commands more premium than a CE but this time CEs has more premium than PEs, even for sept. Hence the IV for CE is also more that for PE. This is unusual. |
I monitor that too via another of my silly charts. I have attached it here. What I see in it is consistent with a near-term top. At market bottoms the premiums for PEs are huge compared to CEs and as market moves higher and higher the premium for PEs keep dropping. That is what I have seen recently since the May 2012 bottom. Near tops the PE premiums vs CE drops to very low levels which is where we are right now. But, of course, this does not pin point tops like bottoms as these low levels can be like this for a while. But I think what we are seeing is like any other market top.
The attached chart shows avg pe premium divided by avg ce premium (market wide).
I should also have similar charts for IVs & IV skews somewhere. I will pull out those also and post (probably tomm). Let us see if we can get a different picture.... _________________ Srikanth Kurdukar
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