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Gemini White Belt
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Post: #76 Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sincere thanks, Chirag, for posting this approach and explaining , step by step , on creation of worksheet which can be maintained on one’s own computer.
My learning from the discussions are summarised as below:
1. BB values are calculated using closing value of the stock / index. Column G indicates width of the BB.
2. I personally, have decided to use BB width as key indicator. When the value drops below, 100 (for Nifty), I shall be watchful as breakout is expected very soon now. I shall be even more watchful when value drops below 90.
3. Now, I shall watch the level at around 3 pm to understand if the level is below (the previous days) BB-Low or level is above (previous days) BB-H .
4. If it is above BB-H,
a. it indicates upward breakout. I shall buy small qty and carry the position. I shall note down the value of BB-Middle line for that day.(say, this happens on Tuesday)
b. Next day (Wed) , I shall keep the SL as previous days BB-M (Tuesdays BB-M). If breakout is confirmed, I can add a few more qty. at around 3 pm.
c. If nothing happens, I shall carry forward
d. Once again, I shall keep the SL as previous days BB-M (Wednesday ‘s value)
e. And so on and so forth.
f. To improve my returns, I can keep the daily target (say 10 points) and keep on adjusting my SL to ensure that even if I am stopped out, I get my total points from that trade (say, if trade is carried forward for 3 days, on fourth day, I shall target to get at least 40 points through TSL
5. If it is below BB-L,
a. it indicates downward breakout. I shall shall small qty and carry the position. I shall note down the value of BB-Middle line for that day.(say, this happens on Tuesday)
b. Next day (Wed) , I shall keep the SL as previous days BB-M (Tuesdays BB-M) ). If breakout is confirmed, I can add a few more qty. at around 3 pm.
c. If nothing happens, I shall carry forward
d. Once again, I shall keep the SL as previous days BB-M (Wednesday ‘s value)
e. And so on and so forth.
f. To improve my returns, I can keep the daily target (say 10 points) and keep on adjusting my SL to ensure that even if I am stopped out, I get my total points from that trade (say, if trade is carried forward for 3 days, on fourth day, I shall target to get at least 40 points through TSL
6. In fact, after breakout is confirmed, what it really means is that now the market is in a trend Any other trend-indicator based method (my preference : SSPS) method can be used for further trade management.
7. This method is for Swing trading (as data used for generating is based on daily TF) and hence, will result in lot of saving of daily trading tension.
8. Over time, visual inspection of BB chart can give the indications and one can do away with worksheet method.
Request feedback on suggested approach.
I must sincerely thank colleagues who enrich the forum and SB through sharing of knowledge and encouragement to new traders.
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vinay28 Black Belt
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Post: #77 Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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chirag, sorry, I am unable to give any comment
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sethu45 White Belt
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Post: #78 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Chirag, I am zero in BB and awaiting to see the miracle of this as stated by you.
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parva White Belt
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Post: #79 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Chirag sir...
Thanks for all the efforts you are putting in.
I want to ask the results of this system..if you are doing trading based on this how many monthly points one can get using this strategy..? I hope you are trading in NIFTY so you can tell how much one can expect from this...although returns are dependent on NIFTY moves but still one can have an idea...
Thanks again.
PARVA
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chiragbvyas White Belt
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Post: #80 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:26 am Post subject: HI |
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Gemini wrote: | Sincere thanks, Chirag, for posting this approach and explaining , step by step , on creation of worksheet which can be maintained on one’s own computer.
My learning from the discussions are summarised as below:
1. BB values are calculated using closing value of the stock / index. Column G indicates width of the BB.
2. I personally, have decided to use BB width as key indicator. When the value drops below, 100 (for Nifty), I shall be watchful as breakout is expected very soon now. I shall be even more watchful when value drops below 90.
3. Now, I shall watch the level at around 3 pm to understand if the level is below (the previous days) BB-Low or level is above (previous days) BB-H .
4. If it is above BB-H,
a. it indicates upward breakout. I shall buy small qty and carry the position. I shall note down the value of BB-Middle line for that day.(say, this happens on Tuesday)
b. Next day (Wed) , I shall keep the SL as previous days BB-M (Tuesdays BB-M). If breakout is confirmed, I can add a few more qty. at around 3 pm.
c. If nothing happens, I shall carry forward
d. Once again, I shall keep the SL as previous days BB-M (Wednesday ‘s value)
e. And so on and so forth.
f. To improve my returns, I can keep the daily target (say 10 points) and keep on adjusting my SL to ensure that even if I am stopped out, I get my total points from that trade (say, if trade is carried forward for 3 days, on fourth day, I shall target to get at least 40 points through TSL
5. If it is below BB-L,
a. it indicates downward breakout. I shall shall small qty and carry the position. I shall note down the value of BB-Middle line for that day.(say, this happens on Tuesday)
b. Next day (Wed) , I shall keep the SL as previous days BB-M (Tuesdays BB-M) ). If breakout is confirmed, I can add a few more qty. at around 3 pm.
c. If nothing happens, I shall carry forward
d. Once again, I shall keep the SL as previous days BB-M (Wednesday ‘s value)
e. And so on and so forth.
f. To improve my returns, I can keep the daily target (say 10 points) and keep on adjusting my SL to ensure that even if I am stopped out, I get my total points from that trade (say, if trade is carried forward for 3 days, on fourth day, I shall target to get at least 40 points through TSL
6. In fact, after breakout is confirmed, what it really means is that now the market is in a trend Any other trend-indicator based method (my preference : SSPS) method can be used for further trade management.
7. This method is for Swing trading (as data used for generating is based on daily TF) and hence, will result in lot of saving of daily trading tension.
8. Over time, visual inspection of BB chart can give the indications and one can do away with worksheet method.
Request feedback on suggested approach.
I must sincerely thank colleagues who enrich the forum and SB through sharing of knowledge and encouragement to new traders. |
Dear Gemini,
if you want to use only B B Width you must maintain data in excel sheet for more than ten scripts so u can have more chances to spot B/O. Using only B B width also means that you have enough patience and are waiting for a confirmed B/O. if u can spot that anywhere in any script just note down values of the columns A B C and watch next day if it works as supp or resi and take trade accordingly. I think you don't need any other set up to use for confirmations coz if squeezed width is there then next day itself it will blast either side (we use EOD data)
let me explain you with example how i play this set up actually which combine both styles (1) B B width and (2) similar or nearest values in columns D E F
see row number 50 in yes bank in excel sheet i have posted in previous
post. The values are in column A B C are 269 264 265.65 . next day row 51 we will wait to cross the prices line no. 50's high that is 269 and if it is crossed our stop is 264 on closing base, means it must close below 264 then we get out of long trade. it is done with long trade.
line no. 52 and 53 values are nearest, confirming either side trend
line no. 54 it made low of 270, u can increase ur position with same stop.
Where to book profits....
(1) if stop is taken which is 264 (line no. 53 54 suggest stop 268,trade is safe if 268 as a closing base stop is taken)
(2) if near top u find D E F G values similar or nearest
in this example condition no.2 came in picture at line no.75 and 76 where values are nearest so sell all yr long position and initiate short from here
now we are in short
line no.92 93 suggest us to cover shorts.
so like this this trading either long / short stay continue. in any kind of markets we are always in trade with profits.
Dear Parva,
there is no specification that how much points will be made coz we dont know when any of condition will met that indicates to enter trade or to book profits or to reverse the position all these depends up to trader who decides what to do on generated signals.
hope it is clears all doubts related to use this set up in real time trading.
Regards
Chirag
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Gemini White Belt
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Post: #81 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Chirag,
Thanks. This discussion has definately helped. Yes, you are right onlu with BB width squeeze indicator, one will have to look at multiple scripts at the same time.
I must also thank SVKUM who has been guiding us on same strategy for intra-day.
In my opinion, mantra for success is "Stay Disciplined, Have patience..."
Wishing all great trading...
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sonila Brown Belt
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Post: #82 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Chirag bhai, one request, if possible, plz post excel sheet for nifty and few other stocks, like u posted for yes bank. Thnx.
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vishal7072 White Belt
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Post: #83 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Chirag has given the formula for column d,e,f but not for g column
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rajanmadhavan White Belt
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Post: #84 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Chiragbvyas first thanks for your great effort to learn about BB. I gone through the post from page 1 to last I did don’t found any ware how to get the column “g” value.
If you don’t mind can you explain or give the formula to get that value.
Thanks & Regards
M.Rajan
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Vevensa White Belt
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Post: #85 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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G = (D - F)
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maooliservice White Belt
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Post: #86 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Chiragbhai,
Please simplify how to caluclate value of D & F
Regards
Mohan
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chiragbvyas White Belt
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Post: #87 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: hi |
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Dear Friends,
Columns A B C are high,low,and close prices of the script.
now put your cursor to d10 and then type the formula
=sum(c1:c10)/10 (that is 10 days sma or middle line,as BB calculated on ema/sma)
then drag down that cell up to last line of yr excel sheet
now put cursor at e10 and then type the formula
=d10+(1*stdev(c1:c10)) (that is upper band of BB) drag down
then put yr cursor to f10 and then type
=d10-(1*stdev(c1:c10)) (that is lower band of BB) drag down
now d column is middle line e is UB and f is Lb so let it be in correct manner
click on column e and do right click and select insert
so between UB and LB i blank column is there now select d column and right click then select cut and then paste it to that blank column.
so in d column it is UB , in e column it sma10 or middle line and in column f it is LB now put ur cursor to g10 and write formula =(d10-f10)
when doing cut paste if there is any blank column is there pls delete it
hope all doubts of my all friend's are cleared and they are able to use this right from tomorrow itself.
happy trading.
Note: if someone wants to know formula for my previous trade set up of 55sma high low and close, feel free to ask
Regards
Chirag B.Vyas
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chiragbvyas White Belt
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Post: #88 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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sonila wrote: | Chirag bhai, one request, if possible, plz post excel sheet for nifty and few other stocks, like u posted for yes bank. Thnx. |
Dear Sonila,
I can post atleast 15 scripts, but i have posted only yes bank so u guys can do practice and if there is any problem making excell sheet i am always there to help you.
coz once u learn how to create a work sheet u can make as much script's data u want.
i add nifty data coz Ramesh Raja Sir asked for that for quick view.
sonila pls do it yrself it is must to learn this set up
pls dont feel anything bad, hope u can understand.
Regards
Chirag
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chetan83 Brown Belt
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Post: #89 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:44 am Post subject: |
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chiragbvyas wrote: | adwani1984 wrote: | Dear Chiragbhai,
i read ur all posts but not understanding properly
so if u can elaborate i will b thanful to u. |
Adwani,
see the column "g" if u find the smallest number there than it means band has tighten and a big move either side is possible. u can decide it by watching that row's high low and close value in columns a b c acting as supp or resi.
do trade accordingly
if smallest value is not there then look at columns D E F G if two rows number are similar or nearest in comparision with previous rows than note down that values
se next day if they are acting as supp or resi
and trade accordingly
hope now u can better understand
Regards |
Hi Chirag,
I have taken data since 03/01/11 of HDIL EQ, just want to know, how to interpret the value for taking trade (Long or short), pls share the Line where Long would have been taken and also short was the correct approach.
I am finding difficulty in -
a) Knowing the lowest no. in column "G", as this data and further fall or increase. How to calculate that?
b) BB middle line, BB UL and BB LL can keep changing and at times they can be very near (column 349), so based upon that if we would have waited for column 350, price closed abv the BB UL. So, nxt day we would have taken a long entry........with SL as (...?) and where we would have taken our profit or TSL....please enlighten us here.
Chetan.
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chiragbvyas White Belt
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Post: #90 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:39 am Post subject: |
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chetan83 wrote: | chiragbvyas wrote: | adwani1984 wrote: | Dear Chiragbhai,
i read ur all posts but not understanding properly
so if u can elaborate i will b thanful to u. |
Adwani,
see the column "g" if u find the smallest number there than it means band has tighten and a big move either side is possible. u can decide it by watching that row's high low and close value in columns a b c acting as supp or resi.
do trade accordingly
if smallest value is not there then look at columns D E F G if two rows number are similar or nearest in comparision with previous rows than note down that values
se next day if they are acting as supp or resi
and trade accordingly
hope now u can better understand
Regards |
Hi Chirag,
I have taken data since 03/01/11 of HDIL EQ, just want to know, how to interpret the value for taking trade (Long or short), pls share the Line where Long would have been taken and also short was the correct approach.
I am finding difficulty in -
a) Knowing the lowest no. in column "G", as this data and further fall or increase. How to calculate that?
b) BB middle line, BB UL and BB LL can keep changing and at times they can be very near (column 349), so based upon that if we would have waited for column 350, price closed abv the BB UL. So, nxt day we would have taken a long entry........with SL as (...?) and where we would have taken our profit or TSL....please enlighten us here.
Chetan. |
Dear chetan,
u have spotted the smallest value so note down values those are in column a b c u may go long with stop of 61.50 (closing base)
line no. 355 356 also suggest buy with stop of 62.14 now to book profit wait up to stop is taken or at higher price level u see the columns D E F G are similar or inearest then book profits and even you can open shorts at the same time
is it clear ?
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