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rk_a2003
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Post: #166  Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Freedom!
Socrates,Galileo ....Hawkings...and so on challenged established Theory's of the day and fought for scientific outlook of the universe stood against giant religious Institutions.They were branded as stupids and one among them even faced death sentence.
In no way I dare to compare my self with them.Just in an effort to derive some strength from them I remember them.
If you want to call me stupid and it gives any happiness to you by saying so.... I don't mind.
My effort is not against any individual, my discources are purely ideological not intended to hurt or target any one personally.
By the way you said "I have never heard that market is a place where supply & demands are matched but what i have heard market is a place where supply & demands are meet".
After meeting what they will do freedom! they always try to match and then only trades materialise. Otherwise the whole meeting is a waste is n't it?.
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| Post: #167 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| rk_a2003 wrote: | Freedom!
Socrates,Galileo ....Hawkings...and so on challenged established Theory's of the day and fought for scientific outlook of the universe stood against giant religious Institutions.They were branded as stupids and one among them even faced death sentence.
In no way I dare to compare my self with them.Just in an effort to derive some strength from them I remember them.
If you want to call me stupid and it gives any happiness to you by saying so.... I don't mind.
My effort is not against any individual, my discources are purely ideological not intended to hurt or target any one personally.
By the way you said "I have never heard that market is a place where supply & demands are matched but what i have heard market is a place where supply & demands are meet".
After meeting what they will do freedom! they always try to match and then only trades materialise. Otherwise the whole meeting is a waste is n't it?.
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rk_a2003.
Mahabharata happened & it gave out many things, out of which were good politics skill and even GITA slok , what you will take out is up to you & i have no liking towards you to call you any thing specific , its all general terms towards all individual who think themselves the god father of Equity Market & the tend to forget all their discourse is there because of equity market other wise what they have been doing , god only knows.
Rather what you think yourself as i said under the sun is up to, subjected & limited to you , you might even think yourself the king, the queen, the warrior is all up to you but that doesn't give out you the the right to dictate others.
Well my dear you have really not understood the meaning of market, let me quote once again " ITS A PLACE WHERE SUPPLY & DEMANDS ARE MEET ".
Take out time to understand why didn't the word "MATCHED" has never been used.
How can you match the supply & demand ?
Is it in your hand or any one's particularly?
Does SUN sets in your specific liking or notice ?
Dear rk_a2003, i hope you might be knowing that in Economics, the term used is NEED & WANT and how come the be matched, you can conclude that only, what i have known till now is that , they can be MEET. |
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vinay28
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| Post: #168 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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God, this issue is exploding. But, I believe that Freedom is right and that is market is supreme. Market is like a huge system, like the society or country/state, and one can never fight a system.
One needs a much larger movement like that by Gandhi or lately by Anna Hazare, or a civil war. But did/do they succeed fully? I don't believe so. For example, just imagine someone starting a movement that bans all f&O activity on markets, only trade by delivery. You think this is impossible? Think again. Both US and Europe have done it in recent past. Do you think greece and other similar failures will be thrown out of EC? I think it is possible. It's just an issue of time being right for a sea change. |
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| Post: #169 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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fools and gr8 people only say market is supreme.... but money makers... they knew....market is nothing ...it doesnt have a path at-all...its decided by known peoples.....do u think u r smaller than this market?  |
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rk_a2003
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| Post: #170 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Yes! It is a time for a sea change!
Not so long ago King's and kingdoms were considered supreme.Infact supreme is a lesser word .They are considered as another form of GOD.Whoose actions are unquestionable. What happened to them.Still few kings or queens are out there but now no one consider them as a form of God.
Even when the whole world is ruled by them there are few people who don’t consider that system as supreme and that defying Ideology prevailed by sending that system in to the dustbins of the History.
We are living in a Market driven system .It doesnot mean that you hail this system.Especially after seeing what this system can do to the humankind.It is the root cause of all the miseries.There are people out there who don’t think that this Market system is not at all supreme.
If we look at the world there are millions of people coming out and protesting on streets against Market Economy.Future will decide what happens to this Market Ecnomy.I am sure that humankind is capable enough to change this inhuman system. I am sure about it not because of optimism but because of the history .They are able to abolish slave system, they are able to abolish Kings and Kingdoms then why can’t they give the same treatement to the Market Economy. It’s a matter of time.they are going to replace it with more humane,rational and progressive system what so ever it may be.
Since you are trading in the market it does not mean that you say ‘Hail Market’. Still you can condemn it inhumane nature.There is no other alternative available for you right now .You have to live here and you have to change it.
As it was refered about ‘Mahabharatha’.I would like to tell one incident depicted in it.One day when the full court was assembled Vidhura asked ‘Duryodhana’ a question .Hey! Great son of the Great king --Among the hundreads of people assembled here can you name one wise man? Then Duryodhana looked up all over the court again and again and said “Great Vidhura! I could not find a single wise man over here… all are Stupids”.
Then the same question was directed to ‘Dharmaraja’ in a tilted form i.e Can you see any Stupid over here? The answer from Dhrmaraja is- I couldn’t find any such person here I am able to see at least one good thing in each and every person here.
I also would like to say Market is a place where supply and demand meet to get a match on ongoing basis , A price is derived for that moment and which keeps on changing from tick to tick on ongoing basis .If there is no effort for a match there is no market. If it was said Market is a place where supply and demand meet….. all other things are implied need not be specified. If we refuse to understand the rest ‘God’ only can save us. |
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freedom
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| Post: #171 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| veerappan wrote: | | fools and gr8 people only say market is supreme.... but money makers... they knew....market is nothing ...it doesnt have a path at-all...its decided by known peoples.....do u think u r smaller than this market? |
To make money, you don't need to be in equity market.
Regarding Fools & GR8 people saying market is right & the so called money makers, all of them knows nothing except vomiting on every topic , god only knows what amount of money they make, well as the saying goes " EMPTY VESSELS SOUNDS TOO MUCH" - these people are the genre of the so called "MONEY MAKING" class.
Regarding market has a path or not , how come the frog of a well know about the sea , all what he sees is just a well around him with his so called money making genre. Every one sees from his eyes, the difference remains of relativity.
In this forum , i have seen many so called "EXPERT", participate in market via consultancy service & not trading in equity market.
The expert's coming in various channel & even in forum have all their background in journalism, how come this helps to understand equity market, except they can speak on each & every topic.
What i have learnt in my life, these so called expert know nothing except they can speak on each & every topic and even the find the so called followers.
Its quite better to be either fool or GR8 rather being in middle.
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freedom
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| Post: #172 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| rk_a2003 wrote: | Yes! It is a time for a sea change!
Not so long ago King's and kingdoms were considered supreme.Infact supreme is a lesser word .They are considered as another form of GOD.Whoose actions are unquestionable. What happened to them.Still few kings or queens are out there but now no one consider them as a form of God.
Even when the whole world is ruled by them there are few people who don’t consider that system as supreme and that defying Ideology prevailed by sending that system in to the dustbins of the History.
We are living in a Market driven system .It doesnot mean that you hail this system.Especially after seeing what this system can do to the humankind.It is the root cause of all the miseries.There are people out there who don’t think that this Market system is not at all supreme.
If we look at the world there are millions of people coming out and protesting on streets against Market Economy.Future will decide what happens to this Market Ecnomy.I am sure that humankind is capable enough to change this inhuman system. I am sure about it not because of optimism but because of the history .They are able to abolish slave system, they are able to abolish Kings and Kingdoms then why can’t they give the same treatement to the Market Economy. It’s a matter of time.they are going to replace it with more humane,rational and progressive system what so ever it may be.
Since you are trading in the market it does not mean that you say ‘Hail Market’. Still you can condemn it inhumane nature.There is no other alternative available for you right now .You have to live here and you have to change it.
As it was refered about ‘Mahabharatha’.I would like to tell one incident depicted in it.One day when the full court was assembled Vidhura asked ‘Duryodhana’ a question .Hey! Great son of the Great king --Among the hundreads of people assembled here can you name one wise man? Then Duryodhana looked up all over the court again and again and said “Great Vidhura! I could not find a single wise man over here… all are Stupids”.
Then the same question was directed to ‘Dharmaraja’ in a tilted form i.e Can you see any Stupid over here? The answer from Dhrmaraja is- I couldn’t find any such person here I am able to see at least one good thing in each and every person here.
I also would like to say Market is a place where supply and demand meet to get a match on ongoing basis , A price is derived for that moment and which keeps on changing from tick to tick on ongoing basis .If there is no effort for a match there is no market. If it was said Market is a place where supply and demand meet….. all other things are implied need not be specified. If we refuse to understand the rest ‘God’ only can save us. |
As the saying goes " STUPIDITY IS LIMITLESS & GENEROSITY IS LIMITED"
Even that happened with Duryodhana, being himself a stupid thought entire world is of stupid.
rk_a2003, i do understand you have a fixation towards the word "MATCH", i hope in your life everything is in MATCH.
Dear, i have a humble request, do you understand anything about economics or you have that attitude of even i understand nothing, i will keep on saying and with reference to other things implied need not to be specified than you can understand what you are, isn't it?
rk_a2003, are you a fable writer because what you have written above is completely ambiguous , in former post your stand was something else & now your stand point is something else.
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| Post: #173 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Freedom!
It's an extension if you can understand. |
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ajayhkaul
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| Post: #174 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: We are the market ! |
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Hey Guys , I hope you agree that various opinions and beliefs were traded in this expanding discussion.
Everyone who participated had a viewpoint or belief or opinion. Yes?
We traded these beliefs and some were excepted and some were rejected( just like bids/offers or 'I don't buy your ideas' ). Right?
That's what happens in the market , isn't it?
What you saw herein is how the market is made on anything ! Difference of opinion ! As a buyer/seller we can agree on the price but we don't agree on the value thats why one is selling and the other is buying etc.
There has to be a catalyst which in this case is our friend anand1234 who lit the match and vinay28 picked it up and passed it on - I , veerappan , RK , freedom took the burning match forward . Correct?
The guys who are still holding the burning match in the end are going to get burnt .
Exactly like in the market . You see what I am getting at ?
So WE - with our various beliefs/opinions / biases/emotions etc collectively are the market !
WE are SUPREME collectively.
Any individual is just trying to 'trade' his views in the direction of the majority view. Trade against it or enter too late - one gets his fingers burned. Then he can get philosophical about it , but all can see a burnt finger and he can feel the pain.
Every day in the market evolves as above and is a new day and we constantly learn in this journey without an end unless we opt out.
I , personally , have learnt to detach myself from the outcome.
But , hey , you are a great bunch of guys ! I enjoyed this 'trade' !
Have a great weekend!
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| Post: #175 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| rk_a2003 wrote: | Freedom!
It's an extension if you can understand. |
rk_2003, you know what you said, let me write it for you, " Freedom!
It's an extension if you can understand.", yes , my dear , its freedom without any extension. BE FREE. |
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rk_a2003
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| Post: #176 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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You are really great freedom !
Finally I understood.
| freedom wrote: | | rk_a2003 wrote: | Freedom!
It's an extension if you can understand. |
rk_2003, you know what you said, let me write it for you, " Freedom!
It's an extension if you can understand.", yes , my dear , its freedom without any extension. BE FREE. |
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| Post: #177 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| rk_a2003 wrote: | You are really great freedom !
Finally I understood.
| freedom wrote: | | rk_a2003 wrote: | Freedom!
It's an extension if you can understand. |
rk_2003, you know what you said, let me write it for you, " Freedom!
It's an extension if you can understand.", yes , my dear , its freedom without any extension. BE FREE. |
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My apologies if any of my word hurt-ed you, i am heartfelt. |
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rk_a2003
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| Post: #178 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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No need of apologies, freedom!
I am a strong believer in "Let hundread flowers bloom and thousand Idealogies fight".It's fine with me as long as it is Idealogies that fight. |
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| Post: #179 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Smart guy, Ajay. I too will detach myself after this last post.
Looks like only fools and great guys make money in this market. Other don't understand market at all and scald their bodies, not just burn their fingers.  |
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| Post: #180 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: |
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WE are SUPREME collectively.
from ajay words... u r right ajay.... nothing ...its nothing just a psyche game.... fundas mundas gundas and all secondary things.... in day trading who cheat whom? thats all...the word may hurt many traders... but its true .....always bigger psyche will win... just take mbswitch... from 140 to 382 within two days... on the otherside taksheel from 181 to 39 within three days... fundas there ...i accept ... but when the market crashes or its going to fully bearish moves.... we can pick-up good stocks with ups values...eps values..book values... shelf values... like this....... but for trading nothing will help... only major psyche... we shd be on that side... for that matters ... u need some major things.... what are all that already mentioned...
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