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stevenmat
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Post: #5311  Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| vinay ...this is the problem i see with OTM puts/calls...where market doesnt move..the value depreciated 2-3% on both sides every day.. I'm really scared abt that.. |
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vinay28
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| Post: #5312 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| steve, first of all you should never buy OTM more than 250 away from CMP e.g. at this stage it should be max 5500pe and 5900ce. yes their value surely drops. that's why unless you r sure about sharp movement, you should not buy. |
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vinay28
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| Post: #5313 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| apka/steve - just in case you get mislead by my earlier response, note that while Jagdish has given what he thinks will be the EXP level during this expiry (not necessarily on expiry day), it is provided Risk level is broken. |
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saumya12
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| Post: #5314 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| vinay28 wrote: | | apka/steve - just in case you get mislead by my earlier response, note that while Jagdish has given what he thinks will be the EXP level during this expiry (not necessarily on expiry day), it is provided Risk level is broken. |
Vinay you have increased my worry more by infinite value by adding this line  |
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apka
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| Post: #5315 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| saumya12 wrote: | | vinay28 wrote: | | apka/steve - just in case you get mislead by my earlier response, note that while Jagdish has given what he thinks will be the EXP level during this expiry (not necessarily on expiry day), it is provided Risk level is broken. |
Vinay you have increased my worry more by infinite value by adding this line |
hehe... why worry so much. For the moment nifty spot and fut both have made new highs and new closing values. Trend is intact. A close below 5660 will change things.
on another thought it is worrying  |
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rk_a2003
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| Post: #5316 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| apka wrote: | | saumya12 wrote: | | vinay28 wrote: | | apka/steve - just in case you get mislead by my earlier response, note that while Jagdish has given what he thinks will be the EXP level during this expiry (not necessarily on expiry day), it is provided Risk level is broken. |
Vinay you have increased my worry more by infinite value by adding this line |
hehe... why worry so much. For the moment nifty spot and fut both have made new highs and new closing values. Trend is intact. A close below 5660 will change things.
on another thought it is worrying |
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rakpeds
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| Post: #5317 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| rk_a2003 wrote: | | apka wrote: | | saumya12 wrote: | | vinay28 wrote: | | apka/steve - just in case you get mislead by my earlier response, note that while Jagdish has given what he thinks will be the EXP level during this expiry (not necessarily on expiry day), it is provided Risk level is broken. |
Vinay you have increased my worry more by infinite value by adding this line |
hehe... why worry so much. For the moment nifty spot and fut both have made new highs and new closing values. Trend is intact. A close below 5660 will change things.
on another thought it is worrying |
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what is the risk levle to b broken ? |
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vinay28
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| Post: #5318 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| saumya, why should it increase your worry? I have actually clarified with a caveat. |
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saumya12
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| Post: #5319 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| vinay28 wrote: | | saumya, why should it increase your worry? I have actually clarified with a caveat. |
Let me clarify, the point of concern.
When you say
| Rahulsharmaat wrote: | Vinay
what does this hawala indicate
Exp 5353-- means nifty projected to be expired around 5353--
is it so ??? |
| vinay28 wrote: | | yes rahul, 5373NF as per him |
It means that the oct series will/may expire at 5373. That means one can safely square off ones holdings by say by 19th or any time before that.
And when you add your caveat and say
| vinay28 wrote: | | apka/steve - just in case you get mislead by my earlier response, note that while Jagdish has given what he thinks will be the EXP level during this expiry (not necessarily on expiry day), it is provided Risk level is broken. |
Your caveat means that it can be any day of oct series, may be next Monday (GOD forbid)  . Thats the point of concern
Thats the difference of the two versions.
I hope that I made my point of view clear. |
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vinay28
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| Post: #5320 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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I get your point saumya but that's why I clarified to apka/steve when I realised that my earlier post could mislead.
Incidentally, though I don't remember who raised the issue of astrology a couple of months ago, jupiter goes retrograde from tmrw. |
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apka
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| Post: #5321 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| vinay28 wrote: | I get your point saumya but that's why I clarified to apka/steve when I realised that my earlier post could mislead.
Incidentally, though I don't remember who raised the issue of astrology a couple of months ago, jupiter goes retrograde from tmrw. |
jupiter goes where ?? |
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saumya12
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| Post: #5322 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| apka wrote: | | vinay28 wrote: | I get your point saumya but that's why I clarified to apka/steve when I realised that my earlier post could mislead.
Incidentally, though I don't remember who raised the issue of astrology a couple of months ago, jupiter goes retrograde from tmrw. |
jupiter goes where ?? |
Let us wait and watch about expiry of oct series.
Yes, I know that, Jupiter in Taurus, retrogrades tomorrow evening, to be precise at 18.48 Hrs. Thats why there is a hue and cry about downward movement of market to 5550.
Hi Apka, Jupiter is not going anywhere, he is only changing his type of motion, from direct to retrograde. Retrogression is an astrological term. Except The Sun and The Moon that have only direct motion, all other 5 planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn have 2 types of motion, direct and retrograde. Retrograde motion is backward movement in simple terms. The remaining two, Rahu and Ketu moves in retrograde motion only.
Thats all on retrogression otherwise some one will think that it is thread for astrology. |
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apka
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| Post: #5323 Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:25 am Post subject: |
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thanks saumya, i was being cheeky with the question but was also seeking an answer 
where was market last time before retgrade n what happened to market after retrograde. Do astrological events affect market? |
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saumya12
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| Post: #5324 Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| apka wrote: | thanks saumya, i was being cheeky with the question but was also seeking an answer
where was market last time before retgrade n what happened to market after retrograde. Do astrological events affect market? |
Sorry, I do not know much about astrological effect on market, but I believe that it has an effect on market movement. |
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stevenmat
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| Post: #5325 Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| i'm really excited to see the USD cracking |
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