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vinay28 Black Belt
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Post: #5386 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I will instead send you dates by PM. can't give link |
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roman White Belt
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Post: #5387 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: test |
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vinay28 wrote: | I will instead send you dates by PM. can't give link |
hi all "will you PM the dates to me also Please" |
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apka Black Belt
Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Posts: 6137
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Post: #5388 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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vinay28 wrote: | I will instead send you dates by PM. can't give link |
PM please.
Today SBIN LT Tatasteel Reliance etc spot and fut are trading above their ATPbut nifty fut is below its ATP.. and puts are not shedding OI but 5800ce has added OI in good nos...
nifty is closing on a confuising note. |
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sonila Brown Belt
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Post: #5389 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Apka,vinay, or rk or any body,plz clear my doubt. This is in regards to yesterday's flash trade in nifty. Suppose i was long in NF @ 5810 and gave a sl @ 5780 i.e 30 pts. Then suddenly nf slipped down by 100 pts in few moments. Then will i loose only 30 pt or i have to cover at much lower price with 90/100 pts loss? Plz clarify ? |
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apka Black Belt
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Post: #5390 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:22 am Post subject: |
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you will lose 30 points.. your SL. |
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sonila Brown Belt
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Post: #5391 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:17 am Post subject: |
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apka wrote: | you will lose 30 points.. your SL. | thnx. |
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GHAISAS White Belt
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Post: #5392 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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apka / sonila,
my personal experience is that - supposing we are long in NF @ 5810 with stoploss order to sell at 30 points down @5780 with trigger at +/- 1 point - it is very much necessary that there should be a corresponding Buy order for that value i.e. 5780 +/- 1 point. If there is no such order for corresponding Buy for our stoploss sell order, it will not get executed - it will remain pending - where NF may fall down yet deeper - with only option with us to either square off at yet lower levels or wait for NF to come to our level of 5780 +/- 1 point.
Conclusion: there has to be a parallel corresponding order to mitigate/nullify our order - without which our order for stoploss stands unexecuted.
above is my personal & practical experience. yet, other views are welcome.
ghaisas.
NB - I see your question is answered in other threads (Nifty Crash) as well (with nearly the same answer). |
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sonila Brown Belt
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Post: #5393 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Ghaisas, what u mentioned, is true, theoritically. But i want to know, actually what happens practically ? |
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GHAISAS White Belt
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Post: #5394 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:58 am Post subject: |
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sonila, Yes, it was my practical experience. My order did not get executed and I had to square off at an unwanted level. Immediately after this I cancelled my un-executed order.
This is my practical experience. One way to avoid this is to place stoploss orders at round figures ending in 5 or 0 - where normal tendency of people is to Buy or Sell. you were lucky by placing stoploss order at 5780 round figure - odd figure like 5782 or 5767 results would have been otherwise.
Above instances of orders not getting executed are very common in Forex markets where there is very fast movement - I hear.
ghaisas.
NB: In some other thread you have mentioned Nifty has high liquidity / movement. It is subjective. Nifty liquidity is very insignificant compared to currencies like EURUSD. |
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #5395 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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sonila wrote: | Ghaisas, what u mentioned, is true, theoritically. But i want to know, actually what happens practically ? |
Sonila,
The Flash crash like situations not comes under 'practical' scenario.During such times there will be a bright chance of your order remaining unexecuted.
One way of 'mostly' avoiding it is keeping the gap between trigger and limit price high and also in round figures as sugested by GHAISAS. |
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vishyvaranasi Green Belt
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Post: #5396 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject: Hi Sonila, |
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My practical experinece says that YES, there are chances of ur Sl not triggering and the price going down than ur SL price.Then u dont have any other option than to close ur trade at the prevailing market price which is below ur SL lvl. That doesnt need a flash market like yesterday.It can happen in a normal market as well.Only thing is ur loss will be less comparitively
No second thoughts about it.
Vishy
sonila wrote: | Apka,vinay, or rk or any body,plz clear my doubt. This is in regards to yesterday's flash trade in nifty. Suppose i was long in NF @ 5810 and gave a sl @ 5780 i.e 30 pts. Then suddenly nf slipped down by 100 pts in few moments. Then will i loose only 30 pt or i have to cover at much lower price with 90/100 pts loss? Plz clarify ? |
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apka Black Belt
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Post: #5397 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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rk_a2003 wrote: | sonila wrote: | Ghaisas, what u mentioned, is true, theoritically. But i want to know, actually what happens practically ? |
Sonila,
The Flash crash like situations not comes under 'practical' scenario.During such times there will be a bright chance of your order remaining unexecuted.
One way of 'mostly' avoiding it is keeping the gap between trigger and limit price high and also in round figures as sugested by GHAISAS. |
yes, if self learned good. else someday sl may not execute. even if u keep 10 points away, if nifty has trades executing just 1 point below ur SL, you will get it. So why not put a safe side gap... I see people putting 0.20 gap 0.50.. I wonder whats going in their mind to not understand u will get the best buy price irrespective of ur SL price. |
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vinay28 Black Belt
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Post: #5398 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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rk is right, always keep good gap between trigger price and limit price depending upon qty. for 1 lot diff of 1 is OK normally. In general what ghaisas wrote is real |
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apka Black Belt
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Post: #5399 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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i read somehwere SEBI / Govt is working on allowing 7 more countries to invest in Indian Markets.... Arent the rich countries already allowed to invest? Which countries are off the list? I guess one being pakistan and other somalia? |
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dine White Belt
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Post: #5400 Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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apka wrote: | i read somehwere SEBI / Govt is working on allowing 7 more countries to invest in Indian Markets.... Arent the rich countries already allowed to invest? Which countries are off the list? I guess one being pakistan and other somalia? |
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