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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #571 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Running with the wolves |
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Arjun!
As per theory it's ok even converging is not there.WW is acceptable even on parallel lines(but , as you said here the trendlines are diverging , Let us refer what the standard literature say's about it.). How ever,In such cases We can not derive ETA from chart ,have to do some guess work for that.
A good point made by you.
Arjun20 wrote: | chandrujimrc wrote: | Dear Sumesh/Rk.
I dont know how far this set up is perfect,but mkt has entered into the channel.Refer the chart and make your comments pl.
NF 15 mnt TF +WW.
chandru. |
Dear Chandru,
the basic requirement ie.CONVERGINg TL's is not seen in your post. Rather the TL's are diverging. Is it allowed? |
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Arjun20 Yellow Belt
Joined: 23 Jun 2011 Posts: 945
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Post: #572 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:43 am Post subject: |
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shekharinvest wrote: | Hi,
Untill we find WW which can be traded.
Here is a bit of more cut paste.
Wedges arent the same as WWs, not even close...
WW's are slightly converging in channels unlike the wedge which forms an apex.
WW needs near perfect symmetry and timing...wedges have no target (1-4 line)
Wedges also dont have a point 5 or 6.
They dont have points 1,2,3,4 either...
Wedges are trend reversal indicators; ww's are not.
Wedges contain no measured moves.
Wedges rely on breakouts at the apex..
Wedges rely on balance while WW's rely on imbalance.
WW's work in almost any timeframe!
Most importantly, WW's (when correctly identified) have the highest success rate of any known trading pattern. (90%+)
I could go on and on...
SHEKHAR |
RK , a cut paste from Shekhar sir's 20Feb2010 post.
Shekhar sir, jump in....
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jjm White Belt
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Post: #573 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Relinfra_30min |
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adsingh101 wrote: | relinfra_30min entered inside the channel. |
Dear all
WOW
I am so glad, my patience has untimely started benefiting all our family members...
Thanks to RK, Sumesh, Adsingh, chandruji to believing in set up and consistently following it up...
Let's be rich slowly and steadily...
Adsing : you are still forcing set up ..let the demand and supply speak..it will appear in price chart..Pt 1 selection is tricky ..very few times..
Check the clean waves to select the pts..Pt 1 do not place a pts in between ...let the wave end... we will get best setups...
Note that the right shoulder or a handle formed in any TF will have the best set up to trade in WW let it be any tf...
Hope, every body traded y'days - ww in Nf.. in classical TA note that earlier support will act as a resistance..and if we are getting pt 5 in Resistance zone, do not hesitate to initiate trade..nf has bounced thrice from 4902-35 levels ..so this will be very good resistance...it was blind short
Just identify basic resistance and support levels at pt 5..you will be amaze to know the end results.. to identify these we need to know the how stock reacted in a cluster of price...
Also use ichart fibo calculators for simplest calculations for identifying pt 5
E.G. y'day pt 3 and pt 4 if put in this ..we had values 4917 , 4865
fibo gave t1 4929.15...price did not hold this ..this was the pt to go short with sl t2 4948
Wishing you all very Happy trading
Regards,
JJM
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 2734
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Post: #574 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Arjun20 wrote: | shekharinvest wrote: | Hi,
Untill we find WW which can be traded.
Here is a bit of more cut paste.
Wedges arent the same as WWs, not even close...
WW's are slightly converging in channels unlike the wedge which forms an apex.
WW needs near perfect symmetry and timing...wedges have no target (1-4 line)
Wedges also dont have a point 5 or 6.
They dont have points 1,2,3,4 either...
Wedges are trend reversal indicators; ww's are not.
Wedges contain no measured moves.
Wedges rely on breakouts at the apex..
Wedges rely on balance while WW's rely on imbalance.
WW's work in almost any timeframe!
Most importantly, WW's (when correctly identified) have the highest success rate of any known trading pattern. (90%+)
I could go on and on...
SHEKHAR |
RK , a cut paste from Shekhar sir's 20Feb2010 post.
Shekhar sir, jump in.... |
Yes Arjun!
I have already gone through it. Don't stop with the teacher's inputs. Try to develop it further. Try to improvise it on solid foundation. In that case they too will be proud of you.
I think I got an answer. Refer the chart attached here, in this trend lines are diverging, still it was considered as ww pattern and also the target met.
I took it from one of the 3 websites mentioned by Investpedia for ww study.
( some how I could not upload the file 3 attempts failed.)
I will post it later.
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jjm White Belt
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Post: #575 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Running with the wolves |
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rk_a2003 wrote: | Arjun!
As per theory it's ok even converging is not there.WW is acceptable even on parallel lines(but , as you said here the trendlines are diverging , Let us refer what the standard literature say's about it.). How ever,In such cases We can not derive ETA from chart ,have to do some guess work for that.
A good point made by you.
Arjun20 wrote: | chandrujimrc wrote: | Dear Sumesh/Rk.
I dont know how far this set up is perfect,but mkt has entered into the channel.Refer the chart and make your comments pl.
NF 15 mnt TF +WW.
chandru. |
Dear Chandru,
the basic requirement ie.CONVERGINg TL's is not seen in your post. Rather the TL's are diverging. Is it allowed? |
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In continuation of the validating set up...
If lines are not converging ,,why not to use them as a support/resistance to initiate trade, treating them as a channels ...
In current scenario one can try a long at 4815-20 with sl below tl or CC basis below TL.. those who had developed patience in trading can trade based on 60 tf ..conservative trades can take small tf say 15..
This works if you are trading 2-3 lots..need to book partially at resistance which is currently @ 4925-4935
Use the classical TA along with fibo or div in rsi/macd...or tls with strict sls..
Regards,
JJM
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #576 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Thank you Very much JJM!
Yes as you said I too found this, if your point 5 is matching with prior resistance/ support ,Bingo! jump in .
What you said is perfect.
RK
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #577 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Hi All !
Now I found so many charts with TL divergence and posted as WW. All theese are from authentic websites referd by Investpedia.
I think We can conclude this ,TL divergence is also acceptable in ww.
Still, I could not upload the chart, Must be some tech glitch with I charts website.
Further studies and comments invited.
RK
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vinst Black Belt
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Post: #578 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Running with the wolves |
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Ravi_S wrote: | That's precisely the reason why the Reliance WW did not hit the target... Trading a Bullish Wolfe Wave when Market is bearish and vice versa is a bit risky...
rk_a2003 wrote: | Chandru !
If you can recall my earlier posts,I observed that if a wolf wave formed in accordance with the preceding direction the sucess rate will increase further.
What is the preceeding direction of nifty, from yesterday onwards it nosedived more than 200 points . Now you found a Bearish WW .What more we want.
In such cases I can take a short position at 1 3 5 trend line it self keeping a 10 points stop loss. My belief is - in such cases 99% the set up will be sucessfull if not 100%.
chandrujimrc wrote: | Dear Rk,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation.I have identified the set up at 2.10 after breaking the 5 mnt TL I shorted at 4921.Not only TL break ,nain reason RSI -div.
Chandru. |
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partial/complete failure of WW in one timeframe is often due to another WW in same scrip but on a different TF. so watching another TF (one lower, one higher) may help in weeding out failure-in-development.
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #579 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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could not post again!
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #580 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Here We Go! Chart with Diverging TL's attached.
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chandrujimrc Brown Belt
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Post: #581 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:17 pm Post subject: Running with the wolves |
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Dear Rk,
Recently our NF acted as per your latest chart.
chandru.
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #582 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Some More Thoughts&Proposals On WW
Somewhere someone referred ww as an ambush trading I rather call it a Guerilla Trading; Trading version of guerilla war fare .
Every one might have heard about guerilla warfare. It was an ancient warfare technique made popular again in modern era.
We knew, How Mighty American Army was brought on to its knees by tiny Vietnamese in 1960’s guerilla war fare. U.S. forces got large units into battle relied on air superiority and overwhelming firepower to conduct search and destroy operations, involving ground forces, artillery and airstrikes.
The Vietnamese who has simple guns and will to fight out Americans adapted hit and run methods .They never engaged Americans in traditional positional war fare, thus not giving any advantage to them. They turned Americans advantage into disadvantage for them and turned their own weakness in to strength by adopting hit and run guerilla tactics.
Ok ! Enough of guerilla warfare.
Now! What ww has to do with guerilla tactics? The mighty operators, Big FII’s and DI’s have brutal money power. The poor common traders with their meager amounts are no match to them in money power. These big guys don’t like poor traders to share their profits. They will do everything at their disposal to rip-off day traders. If we engage them in traditional methods we are no match to them, can we take a positional short against them? with in no time we will be wiped off.
They have Money,Super computers,Automated programmes,Information at there fingertips.Governments at there side.Therefore, we need to engage them with guerilla tactics, hit and run. WW traders are doing exactly the same.
When the battle for supply and demand equilibrium reaches a point which can favor us, we strike and run away after getting the target. These big guys look at us helplessly. Why? Even though they are mighty why should they be helpless? They cannot stop a natural rhythm of supply and demand waves and fight for equilibrium. Can they?! Definitely not.
To stop it they have to remove supply and demand it self, the very basis of market, in turn the very basis of their existence. Which, they can’t.
They cannot do anything other than watching us helplessly. We are turning their strength in to weakness and our weakness in to our advantage.(We can very well survive with small and continuous profits with which they can not survive)
Now the Real and constructive part - we need a guerilla army which can identify Wolf Waves on all time frames which can watch keenly and help each other in identifying and Trading them. From EOD and above time frames we will have sufficient time to identify them and post the charts at after hours.
In lower time frame we will not have sufficient time. We should pass on advance information to each other whenever we find them in forming, through postings. (Sumesh, myself, Chandru.adsingh & Ravi already started doing this). We need not post the whole chart; we can do it later at our convenient time.
Just alert our people that this +ww / - ww is on making on 1/5/10/15/20/30 minutes time frame in Nifty/Reliance/Unitech etc that’s it .Nothing else. One can post other details/charts etc, later at a convenient time. (Guys! here is the very important warning! People can make mistakes, after getting alert from one of us, one should enter the trade after checking it for himself and take full accountability for his own trades. No blame game should be there afterwards.)
Let us work together and Rock! And bring these Mighty money powers on to their knees, like tiny Vietnamese does Mighty Americans.
Thanks & Regards
RK
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maneesh007 White Belt
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Post: #583 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Is it WW pattern...experts plz comment
warm regards
Maneesh bhardwaj
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vinay28 Black Belt
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Post: #584 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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RK, would appreciate if you also give buy/sell with prices and target/SL when you post so that a lot of people will benefit
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maneesh007 White Belt
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Post: #585 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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experts, plz check this one...
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