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sumesh_sol Brown Belt
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Post: #631 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:53 am Post subject: BHARTIARTL..5TF |
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BHARTIARTL..5TF
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385 appears to be temporary support here..
Please enter only on CC (5tf) below 385
SL - 388
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Ravi_S Yellow Belt
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sumesh_sol Brown Belt
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Post: #633 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Ravi_S wrote: | Bearish WW, CIPLA - 60 mins...
Sumesh, can you confirm if these can be traded when the market is going up?
Regards
Ravi |
Ravi_S wrote: | Bearish WW, CIPLA - 60 mins...
Sumesh, can you confirm if these can be traded when the market is going up?
Regards
Ravi |
Hi Ravi,
Market is strong no doubt, but it can change its gear anytime we all know with our experience.. Now that is where I always insist on price itself to show signs of reversal...
For this, if I am convinced about the setup, I generally check for ema/price level where after making point 5, price is stopping.. In this case it appears to be 285.5, which is also 8 ema incidentally.. So , I would have probably shorted half qty at 10:00am candle close as it was close within channel.. So even if SL was hit, my loss would be less. Rest half qty I would have shorted at close below support area, so my odds of success increases..
You can take your call..
Regards,
Sumesh
Now, this is how I trade, you can choose your style
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Ravi_S Yellow Belt
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Post: #634 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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SBIN, Bearish WW, 60 Mins
The setup is in the making... So we will wait for a close below the TL to take position.
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Ravi
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peace69 White Belt
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Post: #635 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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this may be - ww in case close below UTL. tg 4938-29 appr.
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adsingh101 White Belt
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Post: #636 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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SBIN-1m_15min -ww has been completed. One can take entry with 2010 as SL
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sumesh_sol Brown Belt
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Post: #637 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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adsingh101 wrote: | SBIN-1m_15min -ww has been completed. One can take entry with 2010 as SL |
Hi AD,
Price is taking good support at 2000 level.. My suggestion is to get at least one CC below this on 15tf..
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adsingh101 White Belt
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Post: #638 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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sumesh_sol wrote: | adsingh101 wrote: | SBIN-1m_15min -ww has been completed. One can take entry with 2010 as SL |
Hi AD,
Price is taking good support at 2000 level.. My suggestion is to get at least one CC below this on 15tf.. |
Thanks Sumesh for being there.
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peace69 White Belt
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Post: #639 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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peace69 wrote: | this may be - ww in case close below UTL. tg 4938-29 appr. |
- ww patern void.
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Arjun20 Yellow Belt
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Post: #640 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Arjun20 wrote: |
RK , also have a look at 15TF WW on NF. Giving Bullish implication.
But considering current downfall, will it materialise? let's see
( i am not able to attach chart.Pt 1,2,3,4 have formed and 5 is awaiting/forming)
Sorry friends, i overlooked one important point. ie. point 4 is below point 1.
once again sorry for wrong posting. Pls discard above mentioned set up |
I posted this Bullish WW on monday morning , but immediately withdrew it as i recalled Mr. Muthuswamy's post to JJM sir stating
Quote: | -'The NF 15min chart of 12072011 given by JJM is not a WW because
1. Point 4 should lie between 1 and 2
2. When the price and the channel are both trending downwards , the line 1-4 should be upwards. |
But later i found on one website named Forexmt4 an article written by Linda Raschke mam.I'm posting releavant part of it-
'Also on the best waves point 4 will be higher than point 1 for Buy set up and lower than 1 for sell set up.This ensures that absolute runaway market conditions do not exist'
From above, i feel that point 4 <1 is allowed but it's NOT A BEST wave to trade.
Same was observed in attached 15TF WW and it crossed target easily.
Now, experts pls DON'T MISUNDERSTAND me. I am also NOT DESPARATE to try such inferior set ups. My interest is ONLY ACADEMIC one.
I have seen some posts of JJM where 4<1 for Buy set up. But then saw above mentioned
Mr. Muthuswamy's post dated 19jul. So can expert's pls clarify about validity of pt 4<1 for Buy set up?
regds
Arjun
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #641 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Update: Rcom hit Stop loss on september 30th( in the back drop of possible prosecution of Anil Ambani by CBI with regard 2 G scam). Now continuation ww in the making, will post once it's realised.
RCOM Weekly Chart +WW formation.
Expected Time Arrival is August 2nd week 2012
Expected Price Arrival is 143.50 .SL for this entry can be recent low 71
You can also find an earlier +WW in which EPA reached very fast, well before ETA.
Can we expect the same speed in target achievement this time too?!
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #642 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Arjun!
This is for you.
Here point 4 is below 1 and the pattern failed .
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Arjun20 Yellow Belt
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Post: #643 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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rk_a2003 wrote: | Arjun!
This is for you.
Here point 4 is below 1 and the pattern failed . |
thx RK,
i am aware that pattern posted by me have some drawbacks.( pt 5 has not given false break out).
I am aware that probabilty of failure is high in such pattern.
As said earlier, my query is academic one as i came across that article yday. And coincidentally, i also sighted example of it.
rgds
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peace69 White Belt
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Post: #644 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Arjun20 wrote: | Arjun20 wrote: |
RK , also have a look at 15TF WW on NF. Giving Bullish implication.
But considering current downfall, will it materialise? let's see
( i am not able to attach chart.Pt 1,2,3,4 have formed and 5 is awaiting/forming)
Sorry friends, i overlooked one important point. ie. point 4 is below point 1.
once again sorry for wrong posting. Pls discard above mentioned set up |
I posted this Bullish WW on monday morning , but immediately withdrew it as i recalled Mr. Muthuswamy's post to JJM sir stating
Quote: | -'The NF 15min chart of 12072011 given by JJM is not a WW because
1. Point 4 should lie between 1 and 2
2. When the price and the channel are both trending downwards , the line 1-4 should be upwards. |
But later i found on one website named Forexmt4 an article written by Linda Raschke mam.I'm posting releavant part of it-
'Also on the best waves point 4 will be higher than point 1 for Buy set up and lower than 1 for sell set up.This ensures that absolute runaway market conditions do not exist'
From above, i feel that point 4 <1 is allowed but it's NOT A BEST wave to trade.
Same was observed in attached 15TF WW and it crossed target easily.
Now, experts pls DON'T MISUNDERSTAND me. I am also NOT DESPARATE to try such inferior set ups. My interest is ONLY ACADEMIC one.
I have seen some posts of JJM where 4<1 for Buy set up. But then saw above mentioned
Mr. Muthuswamy's post dated 19jul. So can expert's pls clarify about validity of pt 4<1 for Buy set up?
regds
Arjun |
hi arjun. u've rightly raised query 'bout succeeding ww even if pt 4 </> pt 1. but it's seer co incidence if such happens. when trade ww, more probable success ratio on trading the patterns fufilling the requirement then trade on exceptional pattern. same with break & re enter TL. plenty of ww patterns to reach tg even if not meet such requirment. but again, more probability to profitability on meeting all/most of the requirments of pattern then exceptional ones. if it meets tg, it may be considered as just co incidence & not as per pattern. just my view. regards.
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rk_a2003 Black Belt
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Post: #645 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Thats a very desirable quality Arjun!
Probing everything in a constructive way.
Trying to undrstand the underlying dynamics of each phenomena ( Pattern)...
In the process mastering it.Keep it up!
Arjun20 wrote: | rk_a2003 wrote: | Arjun!
This is for you.
Here point 4 is below 1 and the pattern failed . |
thx RK,
i am aware that pattern posted by me have some drawbacks.( pt 5 has not given false break out).
I am aware that probabilty of failure is high in such pattern.
As said earlier, my query is academic one as i came across that article yday. And coincidentally, i also sighted example of it.
rgds |
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