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Post: #76   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

groupwave So we are going to have the ST thread back.
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Post: #77   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PT -as hinted by you, why not make forum activity only for subscribers?
we can avoid srcasm, free advise and lectures , which can be termed as frustration out of blocked intellingence, and looking for aopen vent here in forum.
hope you will honestly consider this suggestion.
I know this would invite lot of backfire from same group of ppl , but lets face it.
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Post: #78   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pro trader, Swing trader, RK. Sorry for my comments on the forum. As you rightly pointed we are here to discuss and share knowledge. Let us not turn this into a battlefield

Sorry once again.

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Post: #79   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vishvesh2001 wrote:
Pro trader, Swing trader, RK. Sorry for my comments on the forum. As you rightly pointed we are here to discuss and share knowledge. Let us not turn this into a battlefield

Sorry once again.

ULTIMATELY KNOWLEDGE IS POWER AND ONLY KNOWLEDGE WINS


Hmm....I am still thinking what I should do about you. Your IP address is located too close to Ajay's IP address Mr. Green So close that they are from the exact same location.

Since you have apologised, I will leave the decision to PT.

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Post: #80   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ST. It is a revelation to me that AJay's IP address is closer to me. Probably he is around somewhere around this place. Any let us get on with business like what you said earlier. No egos here please!!
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Post: #81   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

svkum wrote:
PT -as hinted by you, why not make forum activity only for subscribers?
we can avoid srcasm, free advise and lectures , which can be termed as frustration out of blocked intellingence, and looking for aopen vent here in forum.
hope you will honestly consider this suggestion.
I know this would invite lot of backfire from same group of ppl , but lets face it.


svkum,

Forum started off free but along with shoutbox we later restricted it to subscribers only for a while. We later removed the restriction for forum to increase activity but we knew this would automatically mean issues from time to time. I will discuss this over with PT and see...

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Post: #82   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"the prices of gold and silver jump higher when Ben spoke . why ? interest rates will remain low for the foreseeable future.

In other words, he plans to keep printing money for as long as he can get away with it. And that makes the value of the “money metals” - gold and silver - climb in value.

So Ben speaks and metals rise. That’s been the consistent trend for years. BUT ,February 29th, 2012 , Ben Bernanke was set to speak before Congress.

Gold was sitting at $1,792 and working its way up to $1,800. That’s a level gold has reached only a few times before and never before August of 2011.

So if trends continued, gold was set to explode through that $1,800 psychological level.

...just one minute into Ben Bernanke’s remarks a mysterious and gigantic sell order came in: 15,000 gold contracts. That’s 1.5 million ounces of gold - a HUGE sell order almost never seen on the markets.

Immediately gold and silver started to dive. It took just 2 minutes for gold to fall from $1,767 to $1,727.

Overall Gold dipped down $100 from the previous overnight high. And silver came down $4.

It was the exact opposite of what should have happened. So the question has to be asked...who shorted gold for the US Govt?
It seems it was JP Morgan. JP Morgan dropped 15,000 sell orders on gold just moments after Ben Bernanke started speaking...

...it seems like an obvious attempt to keep gold prices down. But why?

Because the price of gold reveals that the emperor wears no clothes. Gold soars when a currency fails - and it seems some very powerful people want to see gold stay put. Even if only for a little while.

It wouldn’t be the first time JP Morgan has worked in cahoots with the government..... the company, and JP Morgan the man.

In 1895 Morgan helped the US government BUY 3.5 million ounces of gold to save the Treasury.

In 1907, Morgan spent millions propping up failing stocks on Wall Street to ward off a financial crisis. This intervention in the markets led to the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913.

And now less than 100 years later, JP Morgan the company is still working hand in hand with the government.

In the long run, no one fools the markets. It all comes down to the fundamentals."
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Post: #83   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the long run, no one fools the markets. It all comes down to the fundamentals


Maybe....but in almost everybody's trading timeframe price action / technicals rule. Nothing else works.

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Post: #84   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very True. Technicals would work especially in the Long term. Fundamentals are for a fast buck where you go along with the tide and expect a wind fall. This article mentions fundamental on a index level and obviously Indexes do change based on fundamentals. However trading action would depend on technicals alone

I am not an expert but you are free to correct me if I am drifting
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Post: #85   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rk_a2003 wrote:
"the prices of gold and silver jump higher when Ben spoke . why ? interest rates will remain low for the foreseeable future.

In other words, he plans to keep printing money for as long as he can get away with it. And that makes the value of the “money metals” - gold and silver - climb in value.

So Ben speaks and metals rise. That’s been the consistent trend for years. BUT ,February 29th, 2012 , Ben Bernanke was set to speak before Congress.

Gold was sitting at $1,792 and working its way up to $1,800. That’s a level gold has reached only a few times before and never before August of 2011.

So if trends continued, gold was set to explode through that $1,800 psychological level.

...just one minute into Ben Bernanke’s remarks a mysterious and gigantic sell order came in: 15,000 gold contracts. That’s 1.5 million ounces of gold - a HUGE sell order almost never seen on the markets.

Immediately gold and silver started to dive. It took just 2 minutes for gold to fall from $1,767 to $1,727.

Overall Gold dipped down $100 from the previous overnight high. And silver came down $4.

It was the exact opposite of what should have happened. So the question has to be asked...who shorted gold for the US Govt?
It seems it was JP Morgan. JP Morgan dropped 15,000 sell orders on gold just moments after Ben Bernanke started speaking...



wht you are trying here is "button kay liye coat talaash ker rehe ho. Just to prove your point.

When ever Mr.X speak Y thing happen its just an assumption. nothing more than that.

talking abt gold specifically which fell down by $100 on a specific date. how have u define the trend ? how have u anticipated tht it is ready to explode. u have to written nothing abt all these things. again it was yr assumption, to prove your fundamental point.

why it had not fallen more than $100 let say $150 or $200? now you will say powerful people never wanted it to fall more than $100. do u have any such data. NOBODY, NOBODY HAS POWER AND RESOURCES TO CONTROL THE MARKET. It simple glorification far from reality. It sounds great but its not reality.

long term only fundamental works? I have yet to see that. Jindalpoly, ttkprestige are some of the names where i dont know wht fundamentals worked.

fundamentals works when u talk abt value investing which is way above from ppl like us as we dont have tht short of capital and resources.

trading using fundamentals for intraday of for couple of days or week is a joke and its like living in fools paradise.

in my 5+ years as a full time trader I have never bothered abt any fundamental crap. And if i am doing it for more than 5 years then I have sustained my self with profits.

regds,

btw, the gold chart for me was in an uptrend on 29feb and short term traders were already booking profits prior to 29feb'11.
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Post: #86   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vishvesh2001 wrote:
Very True. Technicals would work especially in the Long term. Fundamentals are for a fast buck where you go along with the tide and expect a wind fall. This article mentions fundamental on a index level and obviously Indexes do change based on fundamentals. However trading action would depend on technicals alone

I am not an expert but you are free to correct me if I am drifting


Technicals work much better for short-to-intermediate term where timing & risk management is more critical than picking the right scrip to trade. Fundamentals can be (in fact should be) skipped for this trading timeframe.

For long-term, proper scrips could be selected based on fundamentals before timing using technicals. It is still upto the investor to choose, I do not use fundamentals even for long-term as I very strongly believe any useful fundamentals are already factored into price. If they are not then they will be when made public before anyone has the chance to take advantage of these.

Timing using fundamentals is a myth, it does work.

I will not reply here anymore. Leaving this forum for rk, don't want to mess it up further.

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Post: #87   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fundamental is related with Macro's of Economics - GDP, Financial Budget, Inflation, Capital Account,Forex Reserve,unemployment rate

Technical is related with Micro's of Economics - FII Data respect to Capital Market,CRR,Bond Rate,Allocation of resources & prices of goods and services with respective organization & its effect on EPS & Dividend.

Different path but merge to ONE i.e., "PRICE".
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Post: #88   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest news is that a huge shortfall in US job numbers. Only 69000 jobs were created against 150000 jobs expected. We expect the Fed to again come back and push up the stock market and economy with their QE. This will have a bearing on the Indian stock Market obviously.

Let us wait and watch
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Post: #89   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder why RK has become quiet!
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Post: #90   PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Vinay:

Do you have a problem with that?

Let RK decide what and when to post. You are also welcomed to post too, if you have anything to share rather than one liners like this. It destroys the continuity of the content from the original author and the flow of subsequent interactions.

Please read my post earlier and stay on the topic.

Thanks for your understanding.

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