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Post: #436 Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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vvsp,
I like it when people explain their question as clearly as you did.
I think you perfectly executed your trade and i see nothing wrong with it. I would give it a 10/10.
As for you question on you getting exited on your trade early, it's to do with your TSL. In my post i have clearly said both Stop losses and TSL are guidelines and not rules. Each has to design them according to their comfort -account size and leverage. Some prefer using rejection pivot as SL (which i mostly do), some like to use candle high/lows, some would just use 2*ATR. It's all their personal preference based on their risk tolerance. I would not advice anyone, which one to use.
Again as for TSL, 0.5*ATR above candle high/low is just a guideline. You could use 1*ATR, 1.5 * ATR or even 2*ATR. The smaller your TSL is, you get stopped out quickly, but you preserve your open profits. The larger your TSL is, you can ride larger moves, but you risk giving away all your open profits. It's a tradeoff.
Do what you are comfortable with. Don't ask what others are doing (that includes me) or influenced by what others are doing. My SL size or TSL may not be suitable for you. So it's no use following my trades or anyone's trades for that matter. Following others' trades is only counterproductive. Experiment with a TSL based on how big a move you want to ride and how much open profits you are willing to give. Money management is one area, where there are no fixed rules and one should do some homework of their own to come up with their own rules.
That does not mean one trade arbitrarily i.e use arbitrary stops or TSL. No no no. What i am saying is use the guidelines that i have stated and come up with rules based on what fits you best.
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Post: #437 Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:39 am Post subject: |
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nkiran,
Good catch.
Satya,
As nkiran stated, you are using 34 SMA. It should be 34 EMA.
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sathya999 White Belt
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Post: #438 Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:43 am Post subject: ok |
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will make it 3ma.
Spec u r agree with vvsp chart and my chart?
Because vvsp, is using previous low break for entry, not pivot break.
But rest of his explantion as you said is very well explained.
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vvsp White Belt
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Post: #439 Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Spec,
Thanks a lot for the reply.
I am delighted to realise that I have progressed from trading in haphazard manner(no system, no MMR) to systematic(using system but no MMR) to disciplined(using system + MMR). Hope I will be successful trader soon.
Your system and trade management guidelines made this possible.
Thank you once again.
Prabhakar.
MMR=Money management rules
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rainbow White Belt
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Post: #440 Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: yes |
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Prabhakar:
The nature of your questions confirm the fact that you are surely on
your way. best of luck. btw, hope the rest of us also
catch up.
have a nice weekend
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enroute White Belt
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Post: #441 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:21 am Post subject: |
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according to me,new pivot point for downtrending,
NiftyF-1M,15mins is 5971..
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vvsp White Belt
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Post: #442 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Rainbow,
Thanks for your wishes.
I think you and few others are ahead of me. This was my first interaction with Spec.
Under the guidance of good-hearted persons like Spec, let us all become successful traders.
Prabhakar.
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girishhu1 White Belt
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Post: #443 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:30 am Post subject: |
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bank nifty 1m, 60m 13 ema, downswing, swingpivot=11882
Kindly confirm
regards
girish
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Post: #444 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: Swing pivots - April 11 |
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Nifty:
On Friday, we finally broke the Upswing pivot at 5871, which caused a trend reversal. So Nifty is now in a downtrending mode.
15-min: Downtrending, Downswing Pivot 5971
30-min: Downtrending, Downswing Pivot 5971
Copper:
30-min: Uptrending, Upswing Pivot 429.95
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Post: #446 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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satya,
Perfect. Keep marking it for one complete uptrend and one downtrend. By the end of it, you will master it.
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tripathi_manu White Belt
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Post: #447 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Speculator wrote: | satya,
Perfect. Keep marking it for one complete uptrend and one downtrend. By the end of it, you will master it. |
spec u r wonderful person.
mantri
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diwakar White Belt
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Post: #448 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:53 am Post subject: EMA for EOD |
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Dear Spec,
What EMA to use for Daily Charts. Hope 34 will not fit in it.
Also how to tune EMA according to the time frame.
Please do reply.
Awaiting for your valuable reply.
Regards,
Diwakar R
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Post: #449 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:57 am Post subject: |
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diwakar,
My method is mean't for timeframes from 15-min to 60-min max, based on my original backtesting. But recently i have found that 10-min TF also works great with my method. Jai2000 and a couple of others have been successfully using it on 5-min as well.
I do not use my method for EOD charts. Unless someone can prove it works well, based on backtest with sufficient sample or by real account trades, i would say, do not use my method on EOD charts. There are other simple methods to trade EOD.
Nifty:
15-min: Downtrending, Downswing Pivot 5971
30-min: Downtrending, Downswing Pivot 5971
Copper:
30-min: Uptrending, Upswing Pivot 429
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shekharinvest Yellow Belt
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Post: #450 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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Speculator wrote: | diwakar,
My method is mean't for timeframes from 15-min to 60-min max, based on my original backtesting. But recently i have found that 10-min TF also works great with my method. Jai2000 and a couple of others have been successfully using it on 5-min as well.
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Hi Speculator you have really kept this thread alive and kicking and are as helpful as ever. Hats off to you !
For intra-day trades 2 min TF Nifty Spot charts is great using your method.
I have found it to be quite rewarding.
SHEKHAR
NB: Hope ppl wont mind the distorted chart. Could not get full in one shot.
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