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[vinay28]

you expect to survive in a prehistoric cycle with 1.2B population?

[ajayhkaul]

Since it cost Mr K his life working out these cycles , we owe it to him to plan our investments (at least) in tune with the cycles !

We know that the stock markets work in response to business cycles which in turn is related to GDP and Interest rates/inflation

So : lets do this:Get the Bigger picture and it can make you a billionaire !!!

what is the current cycle ? expected duration?

where are we at the moment in the current cycle?

whats next in the cycle ?

possible technological innovation that will lead us to the next long cycle?

[rk_a2003]

As per the depiction it appears that the expansion peak was reached and we were in contraction mode. The cycles are expected to be a generation long.When K-cycles research was published the life expectancy is shorter than today. That’s why the initial interval of the cycles which started with 40 years appears to be increasing.

But again when this research was published the governments are not that active in economic management and not that organised .Now they have lot more knowledge/ experience and resources and well organised .That’s why all these money pumping in unison .On face of it it appears to be foolish. Is it really so?.

The free distribution of money pumps up demand( so for short term we can say the money pumping is not that foolish). Thus delaying contraction. Are the governments hoping to delay it till such time that a new scientific/technological invention kicks in and cause demand expansion? Probably. If it happens it is better we may hope at least common mass will not suffer much and the transition can be termed as a smooth one.

But I fear dynamics of the Economy cannot be as per our wishes or even as per governments wishes.

We know once the cycle is started it has to be completed that means we have yet to see the dooms day in this cycle. FED, EU, China, Japan and other governments are trying their level best to avert this.at least they want to delay it till they find a way out.

It appears that it may not be possible, the contraction has to happen; the free paper has to go to where from it came and in the process demand for precious metals and natural resources may rise.

Let us see who will be right. Right now the signals are mixed with a more weightage towards recession.

By the way if you ask me what could be next big thing. I guess it could be Space technology which is going to kick in and provide badly needed demand expansion for the humankind.

So if you are really a strategic and long term investor and care about your children find out which companies are involved in space tourism, Space research and commercial space activities.

[rk_a2003]

I can say the fund flow is slowed down if not reversed .Despite of dollar index down Indian rupee is also down which is an indication of weakness.

Iran activities in defiance is agitating US .There is a chance of Israeli attack on Iran backed by US. At present Obama said he is not aware of an Israeli attack plan on Iran. (Read it as he doesn’t want to disclose in advance if any).

If there is a war what happens? No need to specify. However it is better to tighten your seat belts especially on longs.

[ajayhkaul]

RK ... by the time most investors find out about K-CYCLES and understand them , most of their investing life is over !

This should be taught at school levels.

Before we get to space cycle or nuclear cycle , lets take advantage of the current Biotech/Healthcare cycle.

what say ?

[rk_a2003]

[vinay28]

ajay, pharma has been touted as the next bull sector for over a year now. The reason is obvious. No matter how bad the world economyis or becomes, people will need to spend on medicines. Among those, taking note of bad economy, it is best to select firms which have max revenues from local consumption. I am talking about Indian consumption.

[ajayhkaul]

Western world has a rising population of senior citizens who need healthcare and added to that debt issues/austerity measures -- will it help cheaper Indian drugs?

[ajayhkaul]

[vinay28]

let's look at three aspects

according to some astrologers, rahu in nakshtra ruled by saturn (anuradha)indicates sudden big moves and biggest effect will be on foreign trade, international politics as well as in judiciary. Telecommunicatio​n will be king till 23rd oct"12.

Ever since bse sensex was launched, it has made a new high every leap year

Thinking seems to be changing. Even if greece defaults, investor may seek safe haven in equities and commodities

[vinay28]

an update

http://www.marketanthropology.com/

[ajayhkaul]

thanks Vinay

[ajayhkaul]

VEERAPPANS NUMBERS :

Based on his experience and, obviously keen observation, Veerappan has identified the following numbers that result in HIGH PROBABILITY trades in stocks and commodities in any market.

The numbers are :
63, 81,181 ,555 , 926 ,1178

Whenever a stock is at any of these numbers there is a high probability that it will BREAK OUT or BREAK DOWN with a substantial( sometimes parabolic) move.

These are low risk trades supported by tight stop losses and result in massive risk/reward ratios.

Traders have adapted these numbers and there are die-hard fans who swear by the results. Of course, there are many charts supporting the system as in the links provided by Veerappan below. A quick look at these numbers on various charts does show the stock up move or the stock tanking ,depending on the market situation at that stage.

A common problem that a trader may face is how soon the stock will make its move ie his pick might tax his patience or while he is holding the market starts to correct and that puts the brakes on his trade also. A stock at these VEERAPPANS numbers are more likely to move like a thoroughbred.
A trend follower might want to enter at this level and follow as per his indicators.

http://www.icharts.in/forum/magic-numbers-of-veeru-chennai-boy-with-charts-t4119.html

It is easy to spot stocks poised at these levels, say even EOD basis , and the likely breakout direction is usually easy to determine with your favorite indicators. There are stop losses anyway to cover the risk if the bet goes wrong and these stop losses can be very tight. Sluggish movers can be quickly discarded.

Skeptics can paper trade the system and convince themselves of the statistical expectancy. Ultimately the trading system must match the traders personality , so see if it works for you .But don’t knock it till you try it. Based on submissions of charts and feedback in the links, the system offers large rewards.

Why are these numbers so attributed? Search me ! But work they do ….and given the aggressive moves and high probability with low risk , I am willing to place my bet .

There is a pattern in 63, 81,181 ,555 , 926 ,1178 and TA is also about patterns .

links ....

http://www.icharts.in/forum/magic-numbers-of-veeru-chennai-boy-part-1-veeranocci-t3642.html

http://www.icharts.in/forum/mcdowell-dont-drink-more-veeru-chennai-boy-t4103.html

http://www.icharts.in/forum/magic-number-of-veeru-veeru-chennai-boy-t3793.html

http://www.icharts.in/forum/5454-5555-5589-5612-5739-5842-5926-6019-6111-veeru-chennai-t3272.html

http://www.icharts.in/forum/magic-numbers-of-veeru-chennai-boy-part-3-veeranocci-t3644.html

http://www.icharts.in/forum/181-81-63-veeru-chennai-boy-t3401.html

http://www.icharts.in/forum/181-81-63-veeru-chennai-boy-t3226.html

http://www.icharts.in/forum/933-1026-1281-veeru-chennai-boy-t3244.html

http://www.icharts.in/forum/181-81-63-some-charts-60-min-charts-veeru-chennai-boy-t3279.html

veeru chennai boy

Note : For a trading system to work , a trending market is a must . And if you can get into the trend early with your indicators , you can reap great rewards.

Statutory WARNING : Veerappans numbers can be highly beneficial to your bank balance. Remember: the market is trending right now.

Current Stock Ideas ? They are here :
http://www.icharts.in/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4134
http://www.icharts.in/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4135

VEERAPPANs numbers are variously known among the followers as VERONACCI ( after Fibonacci I guess ) or VERONICA ( ? just a twist)

Risk management and disciplinary rules apply.

[rk_a2003]

"any scrip between 503 to 555 is trading scrip...u shd not carry on short or long.... u must trade...not to carry to second day.... i have given various examples..... any scrip 555 taken out on closing basis u can hold that scrip on long [ buy and hold] side with sl 496.... target of 80-130 rupees u will get.... on the other hand any scrip closes below 505 u can short that scrip with sl 555 target of 80-130 pts u will get.... whenever scrip falling or going up according to that we can keep the trailing stoploss also....more than 8 scrips given tisco wipro federal reliance capital lupin divis bomb dye..."

veeru
chennai boy

[rk_a2003]

GDP around 6.3% well below govt. projections.IIP data too may not be that encouraging.Tata steel declared losses. All the banks declaring +ve results taking advantage of RBI rule relaxation in accounting NPA’s ( Hiding the reality bitter pill with tweaked accounting norms sugar coating… ).SBI may not be able to hide even behind the tweakings.Market is ignoring any bad news just taking rest for few days if any…. And resuming it’s upward journey.

Just a few months back I practiced a simple technique which also was declared in this forum .If any major data is going to be announced just before that I took short positions and covered them after the data release with good profits. I got a success rate of 90 % in that trades. Even in the rest 10 % I got out at cost to cost 90% of times and booked minute losses for the rest…it is almost ignorable quantitatively.

Now the scene is exactly reversed. For how long?......To be continued...